So you're afraid republicans are going to make IDs really expensive and not allow people to have them? Has ever happend with state IDs anywhere in the country?

I support free IDs for the poor and I believe they're already easy to get. Its sad when people think its hard to get an ID. According to dems, their supporters are too fucking stupid to get an ID but we want them voting on important, complex issues anyway.

I can agree criminals should have a right to vote after they've served their time and that's the case in most of the country.

The Republicans did a lot of things to slow down progress IMO, and Obama was dealt a bad hand to begin with when he first step into office but he played it the best way he could.

Are you glad the republicans shutdown the government because of Obama care?

Here is what happened From October 1 through 16, 2013.

Nearly 800,000 federal employees were out of work without pay.

Nonessential departments and employees were off work.

One man mowed the lawn outside the national monuments.

Veterans was pissed off, did not receive their benefits.

It cost the country $24 billion.

"You don't like a particular policy or a particular president? Then argue for your position. Go out there and win an election," Obama said.

  surprise surprise. the republicans did.

Do you not see the irony in your own post? I'm not surprised if a lot of things don't make sense to you. Spare yourself from the embarrassment.

Oh, it's CNN. Nothing to see here.

You're purposefully misunderstanding or you're someone who ignores factors that hamper acquisition of an ID or don't believe they exist because you, personally, aren't affected by them. 

Every time something about voter ID comes up, right wingers make the idiotic comment that "they're against it because they think their constituents are too stupid to get an ID". This isn't an issue of being "too stupid". You only use that to invoke an emotional response in support of your position. 

Just some anecdotal evidence, but I wasn't able to get an ID in Texas at first. Because the documentation I brought wasn't "good enough". I had to have a bill in my name. Imagine a poor person who doesn't have bills in their name, and that's a main requirement for an ID. Also, imagine the closest DMV is 10+ miles away and you have to rely on public transportation. Imagine you work some shitty job that doesn't have flexible scheduling, you work 10-6 and the DMV closes at 5. What about any of that is saying someone is "too stupid"  to get an ID? None of it does and you know it  The process was just so simple for someone like you that you don't see it from someone else's perspective, so you must be "stupid" if they can't follow this "easy" process. Because we live in a vacuum with no outside factors contributing to our diverse daily lives.

For someone like me, who's in a good position currently, those kinds of things don't affect me. I was able to go back home and get the proper documents and go back the next day. But I acknowledge that they affect others. That's why people have IDs other than state IDs, and then Republicans turn around and only say state IDs are valid. That's not a BS reason to be against voter ID laws. Voter ID laws like what Republicans support specifically targets certain demographics and discriminates against them. I literally provided a link showing that Republican leaders were researching breakdowns of groups by race for who has drivers licenses. That they want "specific types of photo ID", so the forms of ID most common amongst minority groups, then, becomes disqualified. 

And yes, I read the article. Hence why I posted it. A national ID would have one set of rules and provisions to obtain them. As opposed to various rules in various states, which, like I said, Republican change things up to make it tougher for minorities to get them. A national ID would absolutely absolve those issues. 

CNN.... I ponder why people still get their news from them.

They're making a news of something that's there been there for ages?

Come on I mean really. How was it that these kinds of people never existed in the first place? Why is this news now?

Because it's easier to pick on low hanging fruit.

Well people who seem to put themselves above from "these" kind of people, ironically fall into the category of being stupid. It's hilarious and hypocritical in a sense.

those of us that research their political viewpoints and want to have policy discussion based on facts when they are present and know the diffenence when they are using opinino/speculation instead of facts are going to be fucking exhausted by the end of 4 years.

there is just no aruguing with someone who can't/won't get informed.

i know stupid is not unique to either side of the spectrum but the difference is that the leader on the left aren't empowering "fake news" by repeating it. with guys like Pense/Ryan more interested in capitolizing on their opportunity to pass their politics then the integrity of their party or the well-being of our country we are pretty much fucked.

today their are only two kinds of republicans: the alt right and the at fault right.

Ok. Seriously dude. You and a lot of people are making yourselves look bad just like CNN by making fun of a group of people on "their lack of evidence" with nothing but assumptions on the contrary. I was hoping the thread would die down by now, given the source, but seems quite a few people are doubling down on insulting Trump supporters.

So let me tell you'all a few things:

- Many countys on many states use the honor system in order to register voters. In other words all you need to do is put a checkmark on yes to the question of citizenship on the voter registration form. There is no attempt to verify the integrity of the response as long as you give a document saying you are living in the county, such as an electric bill etc.

- You also need a drivers license but:

Note that this map is from 2015. Twelve states and the District of Columbia allow people with no citizenship to get a drivers license.

- Real ID Act (2005):

It made verification of immigration status a requirement for IDs such as the drivers license, but only 24 states and territories follow it. Some of these states alleged to comply but still continued issuing drivers licenses and state ID cards to illegal aliens and non-citizen short-term visitors. 

-Ironically the figure this woman gave is close to one of the estimates made by actual experts on the matter. And I quote:

"Nate Silver, an acclaimed statistician with the forecasting firm Five Thirty Eight, calculated that states with newly implemented voter ID laws will experience turnout decrease by as much as 2.4 percent of the registered voter population.21 Opponents of voter ID laws claim that any decreases in voter turnout are evidence that legal voters have been disenfranchised – discounting the possibility that the reductions are due to decreased participation by non-citizens. But, as Silver has noted, this argument doesn’t make sense because the vast majority of adults in America hold some form of photo identification and states with voter ID laws offer qualifying documentation at minimal or no cost. While it is impossible to prove that Silver’s entire 2.4 percent estimated turnout decrease is entirely attributable to noncitizen voters, it is highly likely that foreign nationals without authorization to vote will constitute the majority of this group. And Silver’s numbers are consistent with the results of other studies more specifically focused on reducing unlawful noncitizen voting. If we take the mean of these three estimates -- 7.25 percent -- and apply it to just the 22 million non-citizen residents currently in the United States, then approximately 1.6 million non-citizens vote every year. According to the high and low estimates here, that number could be as high as 2.9 million (at 13 percent of 22 million), or as low as 528,000 (2.4 percent of 22 million). Both are unacceptably high numbers." - Source.

- Finally, the Wisconsin recount is not over yet, and the vallots themselves can't reflect if an non citizen filled it.

So yeah, theres no proof due to relaxed laws, but pretending it doesn't happen? plz.