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naruball on 04 December 2016
KLAMarine said:
Hiku said:

I mean there's a frightening amount of these kind of people who don't fact check and easily believe in absurd notions. That's simply something that Trump's campaign took more advantage of. Of course not all of his supporters fall into that category.
On top of that there are just other scary things in general. Check out what appeared on a ballot in South Carolina.



http://mashable.com/2014/11/06/south-carolina-racist-exit-poll/#X33233phukqt
http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/politics/blacks-getting-too-demanding-exit-poll-asks-voters/
http://www.aol.com/article/news/2016/11/07/sc-exit-polls-asks-if-blacks-are-too-demanding-over-equal-righ/21600340/

How is this a question in 2016?

What's wrong with the question?

Nothing. It's a fair question I ask all my friends every time I see them. It's either about Black people or women.



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DarkD on 04 December 2016

This is not a minority of Trump voters. I've had to argue against this claim several times now. Claims like it are everywhere on the Trump side. I constantly have to fact check when I argue with a Trump clown.... 90% of them fall silent when you start asking for a reputable source for their nonsense. It's truly horrifying how bad this has gotten in US politics.



KLAMarine on 04 December 2016
Hiku said:
KLAMarine said:

So you believe the question implies asking for equal rights is too demanding?

No, that's what it literally asks voters to answer. If they think that it is, and specifically in the case of black people. It's a poorly structured sentence.

I would be more eager to agree with you if the question read:

"Blacks are getting too demanding pushing for equal rights."

as opposed to

"Blacks are getting too demanding in their push for equal rights."



bunchanumbers on 04 December 2016
Hiku said:
aLkaLiNE said:
Now let's just generalize the rest of his supporters as that exact kind of person please.

I mean there's a frightening amount of these kind of people who don't fact check and easily believe in absurd notions. That's simply something that Trump's campaign took more advantage of. Of course not all of his supporters fall into that category.
On top of that there are just other scary things in general. Check out what appeared on a ballot in South Carolina.



http://mashable.com/2014/11/06/south-carolina-racist-exit-poll/#X33233phukqt
http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/politics/blacks-getting-too-demanding-exit-poll-asks-voters/
http://www.aol.com/article/news/2016/11/07/sc-exit-polls-asks-if-blacks-are-too-demanding-over-equal-righ/21600340/

How is this a question in 2016?
If a minority group are still pushing for equal rights, that means they don't feel they have equal rights.

I'm not joking when I say that my view on humanity changed a bit during the past few years, for many reasons.
I always knew these things were around us, but it seems a lot more common than I ever imagined.

Pretty sad. It could have just as well as said Do you think these ****** are getting too uppity?

Yes [ ]  No [ ]



Eagle367 on 04 December 2016
bunchanumbers said:
The majority of humanity is on the level of cattle. Its been shown time and again that it doesn't take much to control the herd. Play on instincts. Tribalism and presenting a enemy to hate and you will have them eating out of the palm of their hand. Tell them that they are smart for listening to you. Feed their cattle egos. There are already people out there who say they will die for him.

Exactly.That's why the USA is in the middle east. Without that there would have been no enemy for people to get behind. That's the reason for enmity between Russia and USA



Just a guy who doesn't want to be bored. Also

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SegataSanshiro on 04 December 2016
thismeintiel said:
deskpro2k3 said:
Not sure if intelligence played any role in this. Intelligent or not, these people voted for the same person that the KKK endorsed.

And I'm sure there are some KKK members who are still Dems.  Dems voted for the guy (Clinton) who excused older Dems who were in the KKK, cause "that's just what you used to have to do to win positions in government."  Of course, ignoring the thousands who chose not to.  You feel the same about the people who voted for him, or still support him?

A KKK member as a Dem would be a rare sight. Even for those who are,Trump is the one who has hired a KKK member and surrounding himself with extreme open bigots.



Gourmet on 04 December 2016

Nice straw man.



KLAMarine on 04 December 2016
Hiku said:
KLAMarine said:

I would be more eager to agree with you if the question read:

"Blacks are getting too demanding pushing for equal rights."

as opposed to

"Blacks are getting too demanding in their push for equal rights."

I'd be more inclined to agree with you if it weren't for the fact that such a subtle difference in sentence structure meaning very different things can very obviously be easily missunderstood by millions of people. So no, I doubt that's what's going on there.

And no matter which way it was written, in both cases the most important factor is that there are people who don't percieve they have equal rights for whatever reason. Instead the focus is shifted on their push for equal rights. A very common tactic of the far right. Because poor us middle class white people, we are the victims having to deal with all the nagging.

And, for whatever reason, there are people who perceive other people making demands that go beyond the pursuit of equal rights.



KLAMarine on 04 December 2016
Hiku said:
KLAMarine said:

And, for whatever reason, there are people who perceive other people making demands that go beyond the pursuit of equal rights.

But the question specified push for "equal" rights.
As I said, if this was about something else, there are far better ways to make the message clear to the voters without easily causing confusions.

Basically, it shouldn't have to take several pages of quotes in a forum to figure out what they meant, because they know many people will take it for face value.

How would you go about it?



numberwang on 04 December 2016
SegataSanshiro said:
thismeintiel said:

And I'm sure there are some KKK members who are still Dems.  Dems voted for the guy (Clinton) who excused older Dems who were in the KKK, cause "that's just what you used to have to do to win positions in government."  Of course, ignoring the thousands who chose not to.  You feel the same about the people who voted for him, or still support him?

A KKK member as a Dem would be a rare sight. ...

The Dems were the party of the KKK and slavery... and the Clintons had dixi charm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPL2JlJBuqs