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gigaSheik said:

He is moving on. To the White House :)

Don't you mean Trump Tower?



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deskpro2k3 said:
bowserthedog said:

Can you please post a link to where the claim that many non-citizens voted is debunked?  I would find something that proved that to be worth a read.

The people in this video were likely brought on because they were foolish.  They were brought on to make specific claims that they wouldn't be able to do a great job of backing up so that the CNN host could be dumbfounded while also not being in a position to have to provide any real evidence of her own.

 

Well, for starters there is no evidence that proves millions of people voted illegally. Last Saturday there was a recount in Wisconsin, and nothing was amiss.

Recounts aren't looking for votes by non-americans.  They are simply recounting the votes.

However, I don't think Wisconsin has a large undocumented population. The main area of concern is in California where they have made it so that it is fairly easy for an undocumented to vote. In California all you need is a driver's liscense to vote and they have made it so that undocumented's can obtain a driver's liscense.  What CNN has done here is chosen people who would likely not represent their side of the case very well and would look like idiots so they wouldn't have to do any real research in order to debunk the claim.



bowserthedog said:

Recounts aren't looking for votes by non-americans.  They are simply recounting the votes.

However, I don't think Wisconsin has a large undocumented population. The main area of concern is in California where they have made it so that it is fairly easy for an undocumented to vote. In California all you need is a driver's liscense to vote and they have made it so that undocumented's can obtain a driver's liscense.  What CNN has done here is chosen people who would likely not represent their side of the case very well and would look like idiots so they wouldn't have to do any real research in order to debunk the claim.

Exactly, anyone who believes that people who should not be allowed to vote are voting are just being naive.



Right! The White House is just for the week ends.



bowserthedog said:
deskpro2k3 said:

 

Well, for starters there is no evidence that proves millions of people voted illegally. Last Saturday there was a recount in Wisconsin, and nothing was amiss.

Recounts aren't looking for votes by non-americans.  They are simply recounting the votes.

However, I don't think Wisconsin has a large undocumented population. The main area of concern is in California where they have made it so that it is fairly easy for an undocumented to vote. In California all you need is a driver's liscense to vote and they have made it so that undocumented's can obtain a driver's liscense.  What CNN has done here is chosen people who would likely not represent their side of the case very well and would look like idiots so they wouldn't have to do any real research in order to debunk the claim.

Scroll back up.  Take a look at the Driver's Licenses I just posted.  They have issued 500,000 of the restricted licenses.  It allows non-citizens to drive but it cannot be used to participate in federal functions such as the presidential election.



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SpokenTruth said:
thranx said:

They may exist, but chances are they are corrupt like the rest of CA government. But there can be no voter controls with out requiring ID. Even if we required ID since we give drivers lic to illegals here it may not be as effective. Its great to have a a Supervisors of elections, but when they decide to “We err on the side of voting rights and making it easier to participate,” Padilla said. It makes me question their motives

 

When Obama ran there were plenty of Obama signs and bumper stickers, when gore ran there were signs and bumber stickers. NOTHING for Hilllary, even I was amazed

So you're making assumptions just because it fits your agenda. You're claiming corruption because you want it to be corrupt.

As for ID to vote, you need it to register.  And you can't vote unless you are registered.   Further, I already stated before how the non-citizen driver's licenses do not allow voting in federal elections.  The ones on the left in the image below are the non-citizen licenses.  They specifically state that FEDERAL LIMITS APPLY.  Voting in federal elections in one of those limits.  Also, the state has only issued about 500,000 of these so the whole 3 million figure the right has been throwing around is totally impossible.

up to 800,000 now. Yes the small words federal limits apply will surely stop people. Because you know the bright red and blue lines for over under 18 and 21 were so eefective they had to have a whole different format to help people identfy age groups.

 

laws are only as effective as they are enforced. Since I have no faith in our law enforcement agencies to enforce the laws with illegals, since they already do not I have very little faith some small print on s lic will stop anything. Especially when you dont always have to have an ID to vote, as its not required by law



thranx said:

up to 800,000 now. Yes the small words federal limits apply will surely stop people. Because you know the bright red and blue lines for over under 18 and 21 were so eefective they had to have a whole different format to help people identfy age groups.

 

laws are only as effective as they are enforced. Since I have no faith in our law enforcement agencies to enforce the laws with illegals, since they already do not I have very little faith some small print on s lic will stop anything. Especially when you dont always have to have an ID to vote, as its not required by law

But you do have to have it to register to vote and you cannot vote unless you are registered.  And you cannot use it to register to vote.  Don't produce your voter registration card at the poll, you can't vote.  You can't just walk in and vote.  You do know that, don't you?  Otherwise everybody could vote as many times as they wanted at any precinct, in any country, in any state.

"Laws are only as effective as they are enforced."  Quality statement but you apply it with an agenda.  You are very selective in what you believe is enforced and what is not. There are laws that prevent a registered citizen from voter fraud too but you seem to think that's well enforced and only illiegal immigrant voting is unenforced. 



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etking said:

Trump supporters get exactly what they voted for. Real change, especially regarding political correctness, immigration, foreign politics, updated relationships to Israel, Russia, China and Cuba, healthcare, public spending, view on Islamic terrorism and many more topics.

What a joke.  America will go back to what they were during the Bush administration. 



SpokenTruth said:
AsGryffynn said:

I am more concerned by how California issues Driving Licenses in two different formats for no good reason... 

The upright style are for provisional or Under 21 cards.  Makes it easy to recognize that someone is under 21 for liquor purchases or is using a Learners Permit.  Look at the blue and red blocks to the right of the faces.

If you ask me, I think the different orientation seems jarring, but I think it's warranted when your states have their own permits... 

One of the few good things from this bloody federation known as the Fuckwad Union... 



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