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Bandorr said:

Just to help put this in to perspective. You are arguing with someone who finds it fine to rape women and kids, but objects to lawyers DEFENDING those that the rapist.

No, you didn't read that wrong. The act of rape is ok, DEFENDING rape is ok. Once you let that lack of logic sink in you will truly realize just how absolutely pointless this argument you are having is.

So having had several discussions I can agree it is highly frustrating and you absolutely should quit - if anything for your sanity. Although I found your posts informative and well written.

Huh, I missed this post earlier. Now I'm fine with it? What's next, I encourage it?

Boy, people are losing their mind over Trump. I kinda love it.



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SpokenTruth said:
thranx said:

Its not spread on the internet. its spread by people in CA who have continually watched how illegals are given every right as a citizen. It comes from the fact that CA was called before even the east coast was, i mean why even bother to count votes right? Its from the fact that there are numerous cases of abuse all across the board in CA government. Since they lost our trust how can we believe anything they say. The news lost our trust as well. Its all a massive a joke. From what I have seen I would not be suprised at all if there were 3 million or more votes by illegals, just in CA. The real problem is that there is no way to know for sure, and that right there is the biggest failure of all.

So you're going presume 3 million people illegally voted in California based on what exactly?  What data do you have to arrive at that figure?  Can you provide me with a scenario that even enables 3 million illegal votes?  You do realize that 12 million votes were cast in California and you are claiming that a full 25% were illegal votes.  That's 1 out of every 4 votes.

I would not be suprised in the least. There are no controls for voting in CA. We have very corrupt cities/city councils who rely on votes to stay in power. We have an enormous amount of illegal immigrants. My county voted for Clintion yet i saw not a single clinton sign, i saw no clinton rallies, there were many pro trump signs, i saw many pro trump hats and shirts on customers in my restaurant, there trump events all over the county, but we overwhelming voted for clinton? Yes I question that. Just like I question everything. And with CA so out of sync with the rest of the nation (I mean Clintons popular vote win basically came from CA alone)

 

Have you ever been to CA? Lived in a CA city? experienced the great government of CA?



thranx said:
SpokenTruth said:

So you're going presume 3 million people illegally voted in California based on what exactly?  What data do you have to arrive at that figure?  Can you provide me with a scenario that even enables 3 million illegal votes?  You do realize that 12 million votes were cast in California and you are claiming that a full 25% were illegal votes.  That's 1 out of every 4 votes.

I would not be suprised in the least. There are no controls for voting in CA. We have very corrupt cities/city councils who rely on votes to stay in power. We have an enormous amount of illegal immigrants. My county voted for Clintion yet i saw not a single clinton sign, i saw no clinton rallies, there were many pro trump signs, i saw many pro trump hats and shirts on customers in my restaurant, there trump events all over the county, but we overwhelming voted for clinton? Yes I question that. Just like I question everything. And with CA so out of sync with the rest of the nation (I mean Clintons popular vote win basically came from CA alone)

 

Have you ever been to CA? Lived in a CA city? experienced the great government of CA?

Yes to all your end questions.  You also don't need Clinton rallies and signs in a heavily democratic region hence the disparity in political presence.  Further, it depends on your county.  LA County versus Kern county or other interior/northern counties is going to be drastic.

As for the voting.  And what do you mean by no voting controls?  Did you just make that up?   Are you trying to tell me the California Supervisor of Elections and the individual county Supervisors of Elections do not exist? 



Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."

SpokenTruth said:
thranx said:

I would not be suprised in the least. There are no controls for voting in CA. We have very corrupt cities/city councils who rely on votes to stay in power. We have an enormous amount of illegal immigrants. My county voted for Clintion yet i saw not a single clinton sign, i saw no clinton rallies, there were many pro trump signs, i saw many pro trump hats and shirts on customers in my restaurant, there trump events all over the county, but we overwhelming voted for clinton? Yes I question that. Just like I question everything. And with CA so out of sync with the rest of the nation (I mean Clintons popular vote win basically came from CA alone)

 

Have you ever been to CA? Lived in a CA city? experienced the great government of CA?

Yes to all your end questions.  You also don't need Clinton rallies and signs in a heavily democratic region hence the disparity in political presence.  Further, it depends on your county.  LA County versus Kern county or other interior/northern counties is going to be drastic.

As for the voting.  And what do you mean by no voting controls?  Did you just make that up?   Are you trying to tell me the California Supervisor of Elections and the individual county Supervisors of Elections do not exist? 

They may exist, but chances are they are corrupt like the rest of CA government. But there can be no voter controls with out requiring ID. Even if we required ID since we give drivers lic to illegals here it may not be as effective. Its great to have a a Supervisors of elections, but when they decide to “We err on the side of voting rights and making it easier to participate,” Padilla said. It makes me question their motives

 

When Obama ran there were plenty of Obama signs and bumper stickers, when gore ran there were signs and bumber stickers. NOTHING for Hilllary, even I was amazed



thranx said:
SpokenTruth said:

Yes to all your end questions.  You also don't need Clinton rallies and signs in a heavily democratic region hence the disparity in political presence.  Further, it depends on your county.  LA County versus Kern county or other interior/northern counties is going to be drastic.

As for the voting.  And what do you mean by no voting controls?  Did you just make that up?   Are you trying to tell me the California Supervisor of Elections and the individual county Supervisors of Elections do not exist? 

They may exist, but chances are they are corrupt like the rest of CA government. But there can be no voter controls with out requiring ID. Even if we required ID since we give drivers lic to illegals here it may not be as effective. Its great to have a a Supervisors of elections, but when they decide to “We err on the side of voting rights and making it easier to participate,” Padilla said. It makes me question their motives

 

When Obama ran there were plenty of Obama signs and bumper stickers, when gore ran there were signs and bumber stickers. NOTHING for Hilllary, even I was amazed

So you're making assumptions just because it fits your agenda. You're claiming corruption because you want it to be corrupt.

As for ID to vote, you need it to register.  And you can't vote unless you are registered.   Further, I already stated before how the non-citizen driver's licenses do not allow voting in federal elections.  The ones on the left in the image below are the non-citizen licenses.  They specifically state that FEDERAL LIMITS APPLY.  Voting in federal elections in one of those limits.  Also, the state has only issued about 500,000 of these so the whole 3 million figure the right has been throwing around is totally impossible.



Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."

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Why can't people just accept he won and move on?



gigaSheik said:
Why can't people just accept he won and move on?

Why can't Trump just accept Twitter trolls are a thing and move on?



Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."

He is moving on. To the White House :)



SpokenTruth said:
thranx said:

They may exist, but chances are they are corrupt like the rest of CA government. But there can be no voter controls with out requiring ID. Even if we required ID since we give drivers lic to illegals here it may not be as effective. Its great to have a a Supervisors of elections, but when they decide to “We err on the side of voting rights and making it easier to participate,” Padilla said. It makes me question their motives

 

When Obama ran there were plenty of Obama signs and bumper stickers, when gore ran there were signs and bumber stickers. NOTHING for Hilllary, even I was amazed

So you're making assumptions just because it fits your agenda. You're claiming corruption because you want it to be corrupt.

As for ID to vote, you need it to register.  And you can't vote unless you are registered.   Further, I already stated before how the non-citizen driver's licenses do not allow voting in federal elections.  The ones on the left in the image below are the non-citizen licenses.  They specifically state that FEDERAL LIMITS APPLY.  Voting in federal elections in one of those limits.  Also, the state has only issued about 500,000 of these so the whole 3 million figure the right has been throwing around is totally impossible.

I am more concerned by how California issues Driving Licenses in two different formats for no good reason... 

gigaSheik said:

He is moving on. To the White House :)

Ba dum tss... 



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    AsGryffynn said:
    SpokenTruth said:

    So you're making assumptions just because it fits your agenda. You're claiming corruption because you want it to be corrupt.

    As for ID to vote, you need it to register.  And you can't vote unless you are registered.   Further, I already stated before how the non-citizen driver's licenses do not allow voting in federal elections.  The ones on the left in the image below are the non-citizen licenses.  They specifically state that FEDERAL LIMITS APPLY.  Voting in federal elections in one of those limits.  Also, the state has only issued about 500,000 of these so the whole 3 million figure the right has been throwing around is totally impossible.

    I am more concerned by how California issues Driving Licenses in two different formats for no good reason... 

    The upright style are for provisional or Under 21 cards.  Makes it easy to recognize that someone is under 21 for liquor purchases or is using a Learners Permit.  Look at the blue and red blocks to the right of the faces.



    Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."