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thranx on 25 December 2016
SpokenTruth said:
thranx said:

Its not spread on the internet. its spread by people in CA who have continually watched how illegals are given every right as a citizen. It comes from the fact that CA was called before even the east coast was, i mean why even bother to count votes right? Its from the fact that there are numerous cases of abuse all across the board in CA government. Since they lost our trust how can we believe anything they say. The news lost our trust as well. Its all a massive a joke. From what I have seen I would not be suprised at all if there were 3 million or more votes by illegals, just in CA. The real problem is that there is no way to know for sure, and that right there is the biggest failure of all.

So you're going presume 3 million people illegally voted in California based on what exactly?  What data do you have to arrive at that figure?  Can you provide me with a scenario that even enables 3 million illegal votes?  You do realize that 12 million votes were cast in California and you are claiming that a full 25% were illegal votes.  That's 1 out of every 4 votes.

I would not be suprised in the least. There are no controls for voting in CA. We have very corrupt cities/city councils who rely on votes to stay in power. We have an enormous amount of illegal immigrants. My county voted for Clintion yet i saw not a single clinton sign, i saw no clinton rallies, there were many pro trump signs, i saw many pro trump hats and shirts on customers in my restaurant, there trump events all over the county, but we overwhelming voted for clinton? Yes I question that. Just like I question everything. And with CA so out of sync with the rest of the nation (I mean Clintons popular vote win basically came from CA alone)

 

Have you ever been to CA? Lived in a CA city? experienced the great government of CA?



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thranx on 29 December 2016
SpokenTruth said:
thranx said:

I would not be suprised in the least. There are no controls for voting in CA. We have very corrupt cities/city councils who rely on votes to stay in power. We have an enormous amount of illegal immigrants. My county voted for Clintion yet i saw not a single clinton sign, i saw no clinton rallies, there were many pro trump signs, i saw many pro trump hats and shirts on customers in my restaurant, there trump events all over the county, but we overwhelming voted for clinton? Yes I question that. Just like I question everything. And with CA so out of sync with the rest of the nation (I mean Clintons popular vote win basically came from CA alone)

 

Have you ever been to CA? Lived in a CA city? experienced the great government of CA?

Yes to all your end questions.  You also don't need Clinton rallies and signs in a heavily democratic region hence the disparity in political presence.  Further, it depends on your county.  LA County versus Kern county or other interior/northern counties is going to be drastic.

As for the voting.  And what do you mean by no voting controls?  Did you just make that up?   Are you trying to tell me the California Supervisor of Elections and the individual county Supervisors of Elections do not exist? 

They may exist, but chances are they are corrupt like the rest of CA government. But there can be no voter controls with out requiring ID. Even if we required ID since we give drivers lic to illegals here it may not be as effective. Its great to have a a Supervisors of elections, but when they decide to “We err on the side of voting rights and making it easier to participate,” Padilla said. It makes me question their motives

 

When Obama ran there were plenty of Obama signs and bumper stickers, when gore ran there were signs and bumber stickers. NOTHING for Hilllary, even I was amazed



gigaSheik on 29 December 2016

Why can't people just accept he won and move on?



gigaSheik on 29 December 2016

He is moving on. To the White House :)



AsGryffynn on 29 December 2016
SpokenTruth said:
thranx said:

They may exist, but chances are they are corrupt like the rest of CA government. But there can be no voter controls with out requiring ID. Even if we required ID since we give drivers lic to illegals here it may not be as effective. Its great to have a a Supervisors of elections, but when they decide to “We err on the side of voting rights and making it easier to participate,” Padilla said. It makes me question their motives

 

When Obama ran there were plenty of Obama signs and bumper stickers, when gore ran there were signs and bumber stickers. NOTHING for Hilllary, even I was amazed

So you're making assumptions just because it fits your agenda. You're claiming corruption because you want it to be corrupt.

As for ID to vote, you need it to register.  And you can't vote unless you are registered.   Further, I already stated before how the non-citizen driver's licenses do not allow voting in federal elections.  The ones on the left in the image below are the non-citizen licenses.  They specifically state that FEDERAL LIMITS APPLY.  Voting in federal elections in one of those limits.  Also, the state has only issued about 500,000 of these so the whole 3 million figure the right has been throwing around is totally impossible.

I am more concerned by how California issues Driving Licenses in two different formats for no good reason... 

gigaSheik said:

He is moving on. To the White House :)

Ba dum tss... 



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bowserthedog on 29 December 2016
deskpro2k3 said:
bowserthedog said:

Can you please post a link to where the claim that many non-citizens voted is debunked?  I would find something that proved that to be worth a read.

The people in this video were likely brought on because they were foolish.  They were brought on to make specific claims that they wouldn't be able to do a great job of backing up so that the CNN host could be dumbfounded while also not being in a position to have to provide any real evidence of her own.

 

Well, for starters there is no evidence that proves millions of people voted illegally. Last Saturday there was a recount in Wisconsin, and nothing was amiss.

Recounts aren't looking for votes by non-americans.  They are simply recounting the votes.

However, I don't think Wisconsin has a large undocumented population. The main area of concern is in California where they have made it so that it is fairly easy for an undocumented to vote. In California all you need is a driver's liscense to vote and they have made it so that undocumented's can obtain a driver's liscense.  What CNN has done here is chosen people who would likely not represent their side of the case very well and would look like idiots so they wouldn't have to do any real research in order to debunk the claim.



https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0JquK6FGR6O-0O-6L-VAuw

rolltide101x on 29 December 2016
bowserthedog said:

Recounts aren't looking for votes by non-americans.  They are simply recounting the votes.

However, I don't think Wisconsin has a large undocumented population. The main area of concern is in California where they have made it so that it is fairly easy for an undocumented to vote. In California all you need is a driver's liscense to vote and they have made it so that undocumented's can obtain a driver's liscense.  What CNN has done here is chosen people who would likely not represent their side of the case very well and would look like idiots so they wouldn't have to do any real research in order to debunk the claim.

Exactly, anyone who believes that people who should not be allowed to vote are voting are just being naive.



gigaSheik on 29 December 2016

Right! The White House is just for the week ends.



etking on 29 December 2016

Trump supporters get exactly what they voted for. Real change, especially regarding political correctness, immigration, foreign politics, updated relationships to Israel, Russia, China and Cuba, healthcare, public spending, view on Islamic terrorism and many more topics.



thranx on 30 December 2016
SpokenTruth said:
thranx said:

They may exist, but chances are they are corrupt like the rest of CA government. But there can be no voter controls with out requiring ID. Even if we required ID since we give drivers lic to illegals here it may not be as effective. Its great to have a a Supervisors of elections, but when they decide to “We err on the side of voting rights and making it easier to participate,” Padilla said. It makes me question their motives

 

When Obama ran there were plenty of Obama signs and bumper stickers, when gore ran there were signs and bumber stickers. NOTHING for Hilllary, even I was amazed

So you're making assumptions just because it fits your agenda. You're claiming corruption because you want it to be corrupt.

As for ID to vote, you need it to register.  And you can't vote unless you are registered.   Further, I already stated before how the non-citizen driver's licenses do not allow voting in federal elections.  The ones on the left in the image below are the non-citizen licenses.  They specifically state that FEDERAL LIMITS APPLY.  Voting in federal elections in one of those limits.  Also, the state has only issued about 500,000 of these so the whole 3 million figure the right has been throwing around is totally impossible.

up to 800,000 now. Yes the small words federal limits apply will surely stop people. Because you know the bright red and blue lines for over under 18 and 21 were so eefective they had to have a whole different format to help people identfy age groups.

 

laws are only as effective as they are enforced. Since I have no faith in our law enforcement agencies to enforce the laws with illegals, since they already do not I have very little faith some small print on s lic will stop anything. Especially when you dont always have to have an ID to vote, as its not required by law