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Has Sony's focus on games trumped their recent missteps??

Yes, it's all about the games 185 88.52%
 
No, give me a 4k Blu ray ... 24 11.48%
 
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oniyide said:
Alkibiádēs said:

Funny how Nintendo beating Sony when it comes to handhelds doesn't count, lol.

we're talking about consoles, but sure you can have that...now what?

Actually, we're talking about games. Now tell me, how has Sony's focus on games benefitted the PS Vita?



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oniyide said:
Alkibiádēs said:

Funny how Nintendo beating Sony when it comes to handhelds doesn't count, lol.

we're talking about consoles, but sure you can have that...now what?

But, he, himself said he's not moving goal posts. So he's not. Because he said so. And that is a truth/fact.

But in super seriousness, if a new IP doesn't sell at least 10m, should it be even called a game?



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Dark_Lord_2008 said:
Sony is well on track to sell 150 million console sales with the great success of the PS4. Emerging markets in India, China, etc will see the PS4 push on in its sales with huge sales growth. PS4 has a long list of exclusive games that will boost console sales. The PS4 will reach 55 million sales by the end of 2016 and the next 3 years the PS4 will sell 50 million systems to surge over 100+ million console sales and be on its way for 150+ million console sales.

The generation will have to last another 8 years or so for PS4 to get to 150MM.  That does seem possible with mid-gen revisions, but it also makes the gen-to-gen comparisons less realistic.  



mutantsushi said:

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How their success with games counters that? I say that just highlights that they should have taken high road here.
Their games, their overall reception for PS4 could have made this gen an unalloyed success for them re: mindshare.
These little things take away from that by however much. Certainly people will be looking at Scorpio because of UHD.
Whether on OG PS4 or Pro, people will certainly enjoy the great games on the platform, fair enough.
If people want to reduce this to "Sony are still winning, HA!", fine, but that doesn't make the issues disappear.

Nice post !

Agree with most of what you said.

I especially agree about your thoughts on mindshare. If i was Sony I would have included the UHD blue ray drive regardless of cost, simply to compete with Xbox. The aim should be to never give a consumer a reason to go with the competition. Thats what they got right in the beginning of the gen, but not as of right now. Consumers have a reason to buy the Xbox Slim and are also going to have a reason to buy the Scorpio.



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naruball said:
oniyide said:

we're talking about consoles, but sure you can have that...now what?

But, he, himself said he's not moving goal posts. So he's not. Because he said so. And that is a truth/fact.

But in super seriousness, if a new IP doesn't sell at least 10m, should it be even called a game?

You're putting words in my mouth I never said.

I said Sony would also keep making sequels to franchises that can sell 10 million units with each new installments. Nintendo happens to have quite a few of them (especially now that their handheld and home console divisions will merge): Pokémon, Animal Crossing, 2D Mario, Mario Kart, 3D Mario, Super Smash Bros., etc.



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Shinobi-san said:
mutantsushi said:

--snip--

How their success with games counters that? I say that just highlights that they should have taken high road here.
Their games, their overall reception for PS4 could have made this gen an unalloyed success for them re: mindshare.
These little things take away from that by however much. Certainly people will be looking at Scorpio because of UHD.
Whether on OG PS4 or Pro, people will certainly enjoy the great games on the platform, fair enough.
If people want to reduce this to "Sony are still winning, HA!", fine, but that doesn't make the issues disappear.

Nice post !

Agree with most of what you said.

I especially agree about your thoughts on mindshare. If i was Sony I would have included the UHD blue ray drive regardless of cost, simply to compete with Xbox. The aim should be to never give a consumer a reason to go with the competition. Thats what they got right in the beginning of the gen, but not as of right now. Consumers have a reason to buy the Xbox Slim and are also going to have a reason to buy the Scorpio.

In order to say that this is a bad decision, you have to compare the number of people who would choose an xb1 over a ps4 solely because of a UHD blue ray drive with the number of people who care more about a sub $400 price. Clearly Sony tried their best to make it as inexpensive as possible and thus an affordable option.

There will always be a reason for consumers to choose another console (i.e. Scorpio). That doesn't mean that Sony should make a super expensive version (e.g. with more ram) that only a few people will buy.



Alkibiádēs said:
naruball said:

But, he, himself said he's not moving goal posts. So he's not. Because he said so. And that is a truth/fact.

But in super seriousness, if a new IP doesn't sell at least 10m, should it be even called a game?

You're putting words in my mouth I never said.

I said Sony would also keep making sequels to franchises that can sell 10 million units with each new installments. Nintendo happens to have quite a few of them (especially now that their handheld and home console divisions will merge): Pokémon, Animal Crossing, 2D Mario, Mario Kart, 3D Mario, Super Smash Bros., etc.

Have you looked at sales recently? Because none of the games you listed do that either.

The only one that might qualify for 10 millions with each installment might be pokemon. However going by the arguments in this thread thats not made by nintendo so......



huiii said:
Alkibiádēs said:

You're putting words in my mouth I never said.

I said Sony would also keep making sequels to franchises that can sell 10 million units with each new installments. Nintendo happens to have quite a few of them (especially now that their handheld and home console divisions will merge): Pokémon, Animal Crossing, 2D Mario, Mario Kart, 3D Mario, Super Smash Bros., etc.

Have you looked at sales recently? Because none of the games you listed do that either.

The only one that might qualify for 10 millions with each installment might be pokemon. However going by the arguments in this thread thats not made by nintendo so......

New Super Mario Bros. 2, Mario Kart 7, Super Mario 3D Land, Animal Crossing: New Leaf and Super Smash Bros. for Wii U and 3DS all sold over 10 million copies. Nintendo is the sole owner of the Pokémon trademark, it's their franchise.



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Alkibiádēs said:
huiii said:

Have you looked at sales recently? Because none of the games you listed do that either.

The only one that might qualify for 10 millions with each installment might be pokemon. However going by the arguments in this thread thats not made by nintendo so......

New Super Mario Bros. 2, Mario Kart 7, Super Mario 3D Land, Animal Crossing: New Leaf and Super Smash Bros. for Wii U and 3DS all sold over 10 million copies. Nintendo is the sole owner of the Pokémon trademark, it's their franchis

VGC says different but if you can give me a more credible source, consider me corrected.

Pokemon is as much a Nintendo game as Until dawn, bloodborne, death stranding, etc. are Sony games.