naruball said:
JWeinCom said:
I'm sorry. I didn't know that I needed to put a big disclaimer to show that my opinion was indeed my opinion before stating it. Out of curiousity though, why is my post an example of someone "stating their opinion as fact" as opposed to anyone else?
Why is what I said an example of people speaking for others, but when someone says the game gets undeserved hate, implying that people that hate it are doing so unjustly, is not? Why is what I said an example of stating my opinion of fact, but it isn't when someone flatly states that those who reviewed the game poorly were wrong to do so?
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Simple. Read what you posted again.
"Love how its fans are insisting that anyone who hates it hates it because they don't like the genre, or they don't like family games, or they're just biased for some reason or another, and can't appreciate the wonder that is Knack.
It's just not a good game. For any gamer over 8 years old, it's far too simplistic, and for most people under that age, it's too complicated"
You're not expressing your opinion. You're not just saying that you, personally, didn't like it. You contrast what others say with your version of reality. You even claim that (bolded) it's too simplistic for anyone over 8. All of us here who mentioned that we like it are older than 8. Who are you to tell us what we think of it? I don't think it's too simplistic. On the contrary, I think it's great as it is. Again, speak for yourself. Not for those over 8, or those under 8.
Also, where did I or the rest of its fans claim that "anyone who hates it hates it because they don't like the genre, or they don't like family games, or they're just biased for some reason or another, and can't appreciate the wonder that is Knack"? I didn't. People can dislike any game for any reason they want. No game can or will be liked by everyone.
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You're surely familiar with figurative language. Right? Like, if I said "Europeans love soccer", you wouldn't get in a huff and say "how dare you speak for the entirety of Europe! Some of them actually don't like soccer!"
Did you actually think when I said "any gamer over 8" that I was literally speaking about every gamer over the age of 8? If so, then you really need to bone up on how colloquial English language works. I have serious trouble believing that you're so blissfully unaware of how generalizations are used in common speech.
But, I really don't think your comprehension is that poor, because you seemed perfectly able to distinguish between literal and figurative language, and fact and opinion when it came to all of those people that agreed with you. Case in point...
Bristow9091 said:
JWeinCom said:
Why is what I said an example of people speaking for others, but when someone says the game gets undeserved hate, implying that people that hate it are doing so unjustly, is not? Why is what I said an example of stating my opinion of fact, but it isn't when someone flatly states that those who reviewed the game poorly were wrong to do so?
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I'd just like to say that I never said everyone had to like it just because I do, and that people who dislike it are wrong, I even mentioned that the gameplay was simple, but everything else about the game was enjoyable for me, in fact when it comes to most games, gameplay is the last thing I care about...
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Of course you didn't. I wasn't trying to criticize you or anything like that. The reason I quoted you was to point out the hypocrisy.
When you said that the game deserves more than 54 on Metacritic, the literal interpretation of that is that the people who gave it less than 54 on metacritic were wrong to do so and had invalid opinions.
Naturally, I understand that what you actually meant was that you happened to enjoy the game more than the people who reviewed it did, and you would have rated it higher than a 54.
In the case of your statement, Naruball was able to deftly identify that you were not speaking in a literal fashion. If he wanted to interpret it in a literal fashion, he could have, and he could have made the same accusation that you were trying to state your opinion as fact. Curiously though, in your case he chose not to take it literally, and in mine, he did. I suspect it may because he agrees with your opinion, but he disagreed with mine. And instead of trying to point out anything specific that he disagreed with, he instead tried to misrepresent what I said.
Out of curiousity, what do you mean by "everything else" in the game? The graphics were decent enough for the time, but other than that, I don't really see anything above average about it. I didn't get that deep into the story, but what was there didn't grab me.
