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tokilamockingbrd said:
Egelo said:

 

Well gee hes not actually the president yet lol, how exactly is the pres elect supposed to enact any sort of tariif when hes not actually in office yet ?

a little common sense would help.   

he also said he wants to cut corporate taxes which would be a bigger incentive than Carrier got. 

This was just a test drive of his theory. When he goes to congress it will give him ammo. "Look we got Carrier to stay for a measly 7 million dollar tax break over 10 years, imagine the jobs that will come back or be created if we lower the tax rate to 15%".

Just remember Trump will always be a few steps ahead of you. While you are trying find reason why 1100 people keeping good paying jobs is a bad thing he is already prepping for his next move. The media still has not figured this out.... Trump picks controversial cabinet person, 1 hour later makes a tweet about flag burning.... No one is talking about controversial cabinet pick... 

Trump's biggest advantage is liberals think he is stupid. Liberals always make this mistake, they assume if someone is not "enlightened" like them they must be an idiot. In the meanwhile the person they underestimate runs circles around then. 

I never said he was stupid. But he's also gone bankrupt 4 times himself, a lot of his talk his bluster and exagerration and a lot of his business prowess is exagerrated too. He is hardly the best businessman America has to offer. 

Tax breaks are fine, but they don't change the fundamental issue that there are 10-20 Mexicans/Chinese/etc. willing to do any job Americans are willing to do for 1/6 the salary. There is no "tax break" that changes this. Beyond that there is automation which is becoming even cheaper than any kind of human labor. 

"Tax breaks fix everything" doesn't always work. In fact it doesn't work in many instances. 

Manufacturing is a complex issue, for example do you know that there is more manufacturing in the US today inflation adjusted than at any point in the history of the country? Most people don't know that. It only requires 1/3 the work force because of technology advances. Even 30 years ago most companies had to employ like 3x as many secretaries but today PCs and the internet streamline tasks so much so that there's simply no need to hire that many people. 

I'm just saying relative to this deal, I think it's a poor deal. This is a deal where the US gov't had everything going for it and all the leverage in the world, to walk out of this and still lose more than 50% of the jobs is a shitty job IMO. 



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tokilamockingbrd said:
Egelo said:

 

Well gee hes not actually the president yet lol, how exactly is the pres elect supposed to enact any sort of tariif when hes not actually in office yet ?

a little common sense would help.   

he also said he wants to cut corporate taxes which would be a bigger incentive than Carrier got. 

This was just a test drive of his theory. When he goes to congress it will give him ammo. "Look we got Carrier to stay for a measly 7 million dollar tax break over 10 years, imagine the jobs that will come back or be created if we lower the tax rate to 15%".

Just remember Trump will always be a few steps ahead of you. While you are trying find reason why 1100 people keeping good paying jobs is a bad thing he is already prepping for his next move. The media still has not figured this out.... Trump picks controversial cabinet person, 1 hour later makes a tweet about flag burning.... No one is talking about controversial cabinet pick... 

Trump's biggest advantage is liberals think he is stupid. Liberals always make this mistake, they assume if someone is not "enlightened" like them they must be an idiot. In the meanwhile the person they underestimate runs circles around then. 

Toally agree, much of the polytical liberals are blind fools.

 



bunchanumbers said:
If he was smart he would have threatened to kill the billions in government contracts that the owner of carrier has with the US. Instead he gives them tax breaks and jobs still go to mexico. And no tariff? Bad business Donny behind the wheel. He's gonna steer us off a cliff.

lol. ya the president elect can slap on a tarriff. 

Liberals might think it is bad business... but that means nothing. 



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Soundwave said:
LivingMetal said:

And what Obama going to do any better? What about Hillary? And let's stay on topic about the situation with Carrier.

Trump is the president-elect, this is a campaign issue for him. He's the one that made these big outlandish claims, now he can be held on the hook for delivering or not. 

This should have been an easy slam dunk for the government. 2000 piddly little jobs is nothing to Carrier's parent company, not compared to billions in defence contracts they get from the US gov't. 

And still Carrier manages to move 1000+ jobs and get a tax break on top of it, lol. Trump is the one that played up all this "I'm going to negotiate the best deals, the best". This is the best deal? Any moron could've negotiated this given the leverage here. 

What are you going to do when you have to deal with a company that has zero defence contracts with the US gov't. Maybe they'll leave 10% of the jobs? Is that a win too? 

Those two thousand jobs of a single puzzle piece is part of the big picture that is important as the other pieces. With that being said and if it were so easy for Trump to have done this no matter which way you look at it, Obama, no disrespect to him, should  have stepped in and have done something or Hillary should have proposed something as well. Take off your blinders man.



bunchanumbers said:
If he was smart he would have threatened to kill the billions in government contracts that the owner of carrier has with the US. Instead he gives them tax breaks and jobs still go to mexico. And no tariff? Bad business Donny behind the wheel. He's gonna steer us off a cliff.

that would be so swesome for all thsoe Americans working full filling those contracts.  



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tokilamockingbrd said:
bunchanumbers said:
If he was smart he would have threatened to kill the billions in government contracts that the owner of carrier has with the US. Instead he gives them tax breaks and jobs still go to mexico. And no tariff? Bad business Donny behind the wheel. He's gonna steer us off a cliff.

lol. ya the president elect can slap on a tarriff. 

Liberals might think it is bad business... but that means nothing. 

He certainly could have implied it will be the first thing that happens after he is sworn in. Instead he rolled over and let a thousand people lose their jobs. And he is celebrating it.



Egelo said:
bunchanumbers said:
If he was smart he would have threatened to kill the billions in government contracts that the owner of carrier has with the US. Instead he gives them tax breaks and jobs still go to mexico. And no tariff? Bad business Donny behind the wheel. He's gonna steer us off a cliff.

that would be so swesome for all thsoe Americans working full filling those contracts.  

Like no other company would step up and fill that space?



bunchanumbers said:
Egelo said:

that would be so swesome for all thsoe Americans working full filling those contracts.  

Like no other company would step up and fill that space?

whcih one ? a mexican one chinese ? care to be more specific with your well thought out plans ?



bunchanumbers said:
tokilamockingbrd said:

lol. ya the president elect can slap on a tarriff. 

Liberals might think it is bad business... but that means nothing. 

He certainly could have implied it will be the first thing that happens after he is sworn in. Instead he rolled over and let a thousand people lose their jobs. And he is celebrating it.

He wouldn't even have to go that far, he could've simply said "I see you have 5 billion in government contracts, sure would be a shame if the next round of contracts went to a different company" and Carrier's parent company likely would've shat a brick and fallen in line. 

The truth is he knews a lot of the stuff he said on the campaign trail was bullshit and that's not how "business" works. 

But it does show you how powerless the US gov't really is, this is a situation where they have everything going on their side and a company like Carrier still can't be bothered to leave even 50% of their jobs. If you are in the manufacturing industry as a US worker, I'd strongly advise you start looking into re-education of a different field, because you are fucked in the long term and you need to start preparing for that. 



Egelo said:
bunchanumbers said:

Like no other company would step up and fill that space?

whcih one ? a mexican one chinese ? care to be more specific with your well thought out plans ?

Even if Trump went wild he could just as easily said that he was going to pick a rival to them. Or anyone. I've never heard of a company happy to lose a multibillion contract.