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Forums - Politics Discussion - Carrier just showed corporations how to beat Donald Trump

"In essence, United Technologies took Trump hostage and won. And that should send a shock wave of fear through all workers across the country."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/12/01/bernie-sanders-carrier-just-showed-corporations-how-to-beat-donald-trump/?utm_term=.b92069b88078#comments


Trump's Carrier deal shows corporations they can:

Threaten to outsource jobs

  Actually outsource jobs

Still get a tax cut

 



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Actually it was never a threat, they were in process of doing it. But don't let facts stop your hate train, and lol washpost why not cnn piece a ok'd by the dems next.



Even Bernie flip-flopped on that issue.

 



Well, the template is certainly there, though it has been for many years.  It's just a matter of how deep States are willing to get reamed.  My State got absolutely raped by Apple with tax breaks.  Trump is just keeping that trend going.  Corporations always, always shop themselves around for the best deals already.

Of course, this might just be a one time thing with Trump trying to prove that he's going to save jobs.  I think everyone expects, based on his pre-election promises, that he's going to introduce legislation that forces corporations to stay in the US rather than just bending over for them.

numberwang said:

Even Bernie flip-flopped on that issue.

I don't understand what you mean.  Isn't he just saying that he doesn't like the deal?



Bernie Sanders writes for the Washington Post now?



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Meanwhile Obama explains why he would have been unable to keep carrier in the US ("no magic wand").

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzLsvAaVe4Y

Trumps plan: lower taxes in the US & import tariffs for companies that leave the US, but want to sell into the US (that requires to renegotiate Clinton's NAFTA).



numberwang said:
Meanwhile Obama explains why he would have been unable to keep carrier in the US ("no magic wand").

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzLsvAaVe4Y

Trumps plan: lower taxes in the US & import tariffs for companies that leave the US, but want to sell into the US (that requires to renegotiate Clinton's NAFTA).

Except Trump already waffled on his "plan". 

He said he would impose 35% tarrifs on a company like Carrier to taking jobs to Mexico. Well, he had a chance here to hold firm on that.

Instead Carrier is getting to move 1000+ jobs to Mexico and getting a tax break on top of that. 

A lot of Trump's talk was just that -- talk. He's not nearly as tough on these companies as he said he would be. 



Bernouts, this is the point where you realize that you dodged a bullet by Hillary cheating him out of the nomination. The oldman socialist who has never held a real job in his life is clueless as to how economics work.

The State of Indiana will get back their 7 mil (10 year) investment in about 6 months... Those 1100 working will be making money, they will be taxed federally and state on their wages. Then then they will buy things and pay sales tax on those purchases. That is not even to mention the other local jobs that would have been collatoral damage from Carrier leaving.

Does Bernie though a bitch fit every time a city gives incentives to a profession sports team to stay or move to their city?



psn- tokila

add me, the more the merrier.

Bandorr said:

It is concerning to a point.  Donald Trump has made it so obvious this is goal is "keep jobs in america" that you start to wonder "at what cost".

I mean this was pretty much win win for Carrier. They either move the jobs away and save money - or they get bribed with tax credits to stay.

So pretty much as long as a company is willing to move their jobs they can just threaten to do so and get bribed to stay.

It does not set a good precedent.

Hopefully at a cost to services to illegals and refugess. 

He saved what 1000 jobs ? the taxes they pay on spending it and the gov not having to support them with EI or welfare once fired pretty much makes that 7m look like nothing in the grand scheme of things.  For sake of arguemnt at 30k a year he just ensured 30 million stays in the local economy, their basic sales tax pf 7% will mean 2m returns to the gov.  If any one has a bunch legitamete numbers you could really dive in hard and figure just how well worth that 7m tax cut was.  

 

 

 

 

 

 



Soundwave said:

Except Trump already waffled on his "plan". 

He said he would impose 35% tarrifs on a company like Carrier to taking jobs to Mexico. Well, he had a chance here to hold firm on that.

Instead Carrier is getting to move 1000+ jobs to Mexico and getting a tax break on top of that. 

A lot of Trump's talk was just that -- talk. He's not nearly as tough on these companies as he said he would be. 

 

Well gee hes not actually the president yet lol, how exactly is the pres elect supposed to enact any sort of tariif when hes not actually in office yet ?

a little common sense would help.