Random_Matt said:
Still can do something, bare minimum should be a locked 30 with no dips. |
There aren't dips, there are frame pacing issues. The game still retains a mostly solid 30fps.
| Mafioso said: Seeing is believing. First hand experience rules. I already had MGSV on PS4, the experiment was easy to do once i got my XBO S. You do realize that 1800p checkerboard is not native 4K? So something is upscaling...adding lag. Those calculations don't come free. Basics of digital signal processing. Mr. 4K Upscaler on YT has a Vizio M series and he shows how Forza 6 looks A/B with the XBO S outputting 4K vs 1080p from the settings. the 4K output craps on the TV's upscaler, which actually made the image look stretched a bit in comparison. If you are putting your PS4 into a 4K TV, the upconversion by the display is adding lag. Complaining about the XBO S adding lag seems trivial at this point, since either way you add lag. To video games. You play from the couch. With wireless controllers. ;) |
I couldn't make any sense from your post.
Yes I do realized, and I do realize it adds lag, and? You still haven't answered how would be better to play on 1080p on PS4 passing through the upscaler of X1 instead of playing with checkerboard right at the TV or use the tv to upscale.
As far as I know Vizio isn't very good. Never saw any less than pristine image on mine television.
I'm not complaining, you were saying it's better to use the X1 upscaler on a PS4 than using checkerboard upscale on PS4 or the TV upscale and said the reason is lag, and then say lag doesn't matter? Are you trying to cover both ends and say you win eitherway?
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DonFerrari said:
I couldn't make any sense from your post. Yes I do realized, and I do realize it adds lag, and? You still haven't answered how would be better to play on 1080p on PS4 passing through the upscaler of X1 instead of playing with checkerboard right at the TV or use the tv to upscale. As far as I know Vizio isn't very good. Never saw any less than pristine image on mine television. I'm not complaining, you were saying it's better to use the X1 upscaler on a PS4 than using checkerboard upscale on PS4 or the TV upscale and said the reason is lag, and then say lag doesn't matter? Are you trying to cover both ends and say you win eitherway? |
"You still haven't answered how would be better to play on 1080p on PS4 passing through the upscaler of X1 instead of playing with checkerboard right at the TV or use the tv to upscale."
Why would i need to do that? I never claimed it was better than using Pro, but rather since it has a good upscaler it is a nice way to display your PS4 onto a 4K TV.
If you bought a Pro, use your Pro. If you have an OG PS4 and an XBO S, try that out.
Also in regards to the Vizio M series, its rated for a very good picture and so is the rating for the 1080p input content displayed in 4K (rated 9/10) like any well reviewed Sony.
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walsufnir said:
Did you even read the text? I guess not. It says that if you want to avoid frame-pacing issues on the PS4 platform, you have to play the game on a Pro in light mode, which means 1080p30. "Stutter in the form of incorrect frame-pacing is very rare during gameplay and is only really noticeable in the title's engine-driven cut-scenes. But switching to the higher resolution mode with its 1800p checkerboarding, improved texture filtering and shadows sees inconsistent frame delivery strike back with a vengeance. We've actually opted to play the game on lite mode instead - trading the resolution and improved image quality for a smoother experience." |
its not worth it to lose more details and higher resolution, its a alot more what Xbox has. I dont care what DF says
Ruler said:
its not worth it to lose more details and higher resolution, its a alot more what Xbox has. I dont care what DF says |
To me, the argument over pixels/resolution is like arguing over dvd/blu ray/4k. Given th eoption, I'll choose 4k everyday. I'll spend extra for 4k. But the nice thing about movies is that beyond resolution/colors/clarity, you know the pretty stuff, the movie is still exactly the same. If I watch Mad Max on 4k and you watch it on dvd, we will both enjoy it and finish it exactly at the same time to the second.
That isn't the case with games. PS4 and Xbox have different loading times. Lag, stuttering, bugs, draw distance, ect
To me, if I were to contemplate on buying a game for my xbox/pc/ps I look at those factors. I won't notice the resolution or care if there is an extra bush in that field when playing. Wouldn't even know unless someone nip picked me by showing it. But I will notice the other things. Be like watching a streaming movie and it switches back and forth from HD to SD due to internet speeds slowing, and back again. Or buffering interupting play. Now those things ruin a tv show or movie when watching.
Same for games. I'll take a smoother, bug free game over max setting on a pc any day. That's why I love pc gaming. If I can, I put max settings, but i have the option (on not shitty ports) to adjust settings to make the game as playable as can be.
Random_Matt said:
Zen is out next year, Scorpio could use that. |
It's certainly possible, but it'd be an expensive decision. If they do go with a non-Jaguar PC, i think it's more likely they'll adapt another of AMDs CPUs. It'd still being the price up, and compatibility with the standard X1 would need to be handle carefully, but i feel like that's be more likely than a Zen.
walsufnir said:
FPS is especially a CPU thing and the bump in performance for CPU in the Pro is rather small. |
They are going to patch in 60 fps.
The Pro is simply locked. It's not that it can't do things, it's that Sony locks it and only the developers can unlock it. And obviously they haven't bothered much yet.
Zekkyou said:
It's certainly possible, but it'd be an expensive decision. If they do go with a non-Jaguar PC, i think it's more likely they'll adapt another of AMDs CPUs. It'd still being the price up, and compatibility with the standard X1 would need to be handle carefully, but i feel like that's be more likely than a Zen. |
Didn't they say that Zen would be better performing and cheaper than intel? Even baseline Zen would be better than Jaguar.
I am playing the PS4 version and haven't found it to be *too* problematic.
There is a sad irony that a game that was once insisted to be a PS3 exclusive is now a multiplatform title that performs worst on the PS3's successor.
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bunchanumbers said:
Didn't they say that Zen would be better performing and cheaper than intel? Even baseline Zen would be better than Jaguar. |
The Scorpio's CPU has been confirmed at having 8 cores, and the rumoured price for the lower-end 8 core Zen is $350. The Zen does currently appear to offer amazing value, but it'd still be an expensive decision for MS. Doubly so since the Scorpio has to linearly scale back to the standard X1, which limits what that extra CPU power could be used for (outside of frame-rate jumps).
It's not impossible, but it'd take some serious balls 
If they are using a Zen, i'd expect it to be a custom low-spec version.
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