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What result is best?

Trump maintains lead and is voted in. 99 54.40%
 
Clinton gains lead and is voted in. 37 20.33%
 
Both candidates are below... 46 25.27%
 
Total:182

The people have elected Donald Trump so I see no reason to change anything. Especially considering all the alleged DNC shenanigans and voter frauds. "Rigging the election" video series on Youtube sheds light on this issue.



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Keep the results of the electoral college as it is, overturning it to Clinton would mean civil war and would validate Trump's message that the system is rigged ...

Although I think there should be reforms like splitting electoral votes proportionally by popular vote per each state. The other reform is that if we do that we either choose to decide the victor who gets the most electoral votes instead of getting 270 electoral votes or all parties must have a threshold of 10% of the total casted ballots to claim electoral votes in any of the states ...



AsGryffynn said:
sethnintendo said:

Some of you keep talking that the electoral college was setup to protect rural voters from city voters... It was actually the opposite. It was to protect city people from rural people. They were afraid the dumb, uninformed, and misinformed masses might elect someone not qualified. Also, there was more people living in rural USA than city centers. This was the case till probably about the mid 1900s or so. Now let me see you spin history.

It was actually specifically to protect people living in less populated areas. Population in the US has always been sharply divided. The system ensures no larger state rules over the smaller one, otherwise, it'd be less "US Presidential Election 2016" and more "California vs Texas"... 

Nem said:

What an absolute joke! So, you should go with the opinion of the minorities eh? Well... i guess you should start asking your population minorities like latinos what to do now (and all those that Trump wants to deport aswell). Because this logic is hysterical! You're applying the tyranny of the majority eh?!

Btw no opinion is necessarely the best. But the opinion with the most backing should serve as the basis one you go with. Thats why you go with the majority, becaue its representative of more people.

Lol at mob rule. Of course, only the special ones should call the shots. Ah right... that isn't democracy though. Leaders of the free world... LOL! You are discriminating people and quite honestly, it's disgusting.

And tell you what... when 1 person = 1 vote, you also have to appeal to every demographic! How do you think democracies work? Better than the USA that's how! Cause theres none of this travesty where people win without getting the most votes.

You literally trashed all Latinos and Blacks in the US. You do realize they are minorities right? This system wasn't conceived for no good reason. Also, more Latinos voted for Trump than they did for Mitt Romney (for one, Trump won Florida's popular vote). The only reason Hillary has an advantage was because of bloody California. Considering California works as if they were their own country, thinking they should decide the election might be the most ridiculous, over the top statement I've ever heard. 

Also, the majority wasn't always better. The majority of people in Germany liked Hitler at the time, look how that panned out... 

If I wanted to tell you how it works, well, things might only be fair if you tell 33 percent of the American urban population to leave the country. Then we'd have an equal proportion of blue and red voters, then whoever yields loses. Otherwise, as I said, there's no reason for the GOP to exist. Trump did win the popular vote in MOST states. It only happens there are a handful whose population has the weight of dozens of states and renders this win pointless. Californians shouldn't decide for the rest of Americans who don't have the advantages they have. 

The special ones shouldn't call the shots, but people from across the country should have their say on who rules. If most of the country's states, rather than the people, choose their leader, you know most of the country will be represented, rather than a state with overcrowding issues. 

By the way, Trump was aware of this. He campaigned with the electoral college in mind, not for the popular vote. The fact he dyed blue states red alone seems like a hint he did pack more firepower than Hillary did, but not in the "fortress states" of Hillary's firewall. 

LOL

You will just make up anything to justify discrimination. Hitler was elected by majority. He was legitimate. He was also elected using the exact same tropes Trump did of blaming problems on others. But you know what he also wasn't? Democratic. He became a dictator so he wouldn't have elections. Modern democracies have failsafes for those situations nowadays.

The US is not a democracy. It's time for everyone to finally see how wrong the system is. Discrimination left and center and some worth more than others. It is unsightly.

The majority is not always better, but the majority is always LEGITIMATE. It's the will of the people, without any trickery.



Nem said:

LOL

You will just make up anything to justify discrimination. Hitler was elected by majority. He was legitimate. He was also elected using the exact same tropes Trump did of blaming problems on others. But you know what he also wasn't? Democratic. He became a dictator so he wouldn't have elections. Modern democracies have failsafes for those situations nowadays.

The US is not a democracy. It's time for everyone to finally see how wrong the system is. Discrimination left and center and some worth more than others. It is unsightly.

The majority is not always better, but the majority is always LEGITIMATE. It's the will of the people, without any trickery.

No, that's just a myth ... (He lost to an independent for crying out loud.)



Nem said:

LOL

You will just make up anything to justify discrimination. Hitler was elected by majority. He was legitimate. He was also elected using the exact same tropes Trump did of blaming problems on others. But you know what he also wasn't? Democratic. He became a dictator so he wouldn't have elections. Modern democracies have failsafes for those situations nowadays.

The US is not a democracy. It's time for everyone to finally see how wrong the system is. Discrimination left and center and some worth more than others. It is unsightly.

The majority is not always better, but the majority is always LEGITIMATE. It's the will of the people, without any trickery.

Well that's a damn shame because Hillary only got a plurality.

I guess that also makes my 'tyranny of the majority' argument flawed, though not in the way you expected



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LadyJasmine said:
I think the worst outcome is putting Hillary in...

That would mean civil war

Only 20 some percent voted for Insecure Little Man. More than 70% either voted for Clinton or didn't vote at all. So really, there's not enough people to have any war.



francisbaud said:
The people have elected Donald Trump so I see no reason to change anything. Especially considering all the alleged DNC shenanigans and voter frauds. "Rigging the election" video series on Youtube sheds light on this issue.

No, the electoral college elected Trump. The people elected Clinton.



mountaindewslave said:

The reason the electoral college operates as it does (people winning the entire state rather than just talling votes up everywhere) is so one portion or region of the country doesn't absolutely dominate all of the rest.

I would rather California decide the vote than fucking Alabama and Mississippi. The popular vote is the will of the populus. Why should twenty people out of 100 get just as much say as the 80? That isn't logical in any sense, what-so-ever. 



Aura7541 said:
Nem said:

LOL

You will just make up anything to justify discrimination. Hitler was elected by majority. He was legitimate. He was also elected using the exact same tropes Trump did of blaming problems on others. But you know what he also wasn't? Democratic. He became a dictator so he wouldn't have elections. Modern democracies have failsafes for those situations nowadays.

The US is not a democracy. It's time for everyone to finally see how wrong the system is. Discrimination left and center and some worth more than others. It is unsightly.

The majority is not always better, but the majority is always LEGITIMATE. It's the will of the people, without any trickery.

Well that's a damn shame because Hillary only got a plurality.

I guess that also makes my 'tyranny of the majority' argument flawed, though not in the way you expected

There is no such thing as tyranny of the majority. It is a ridiculous concept. If theres a majority, by definition its not a tyranny. A majority is not an arbitrary use of power. It's a legitimate one. By definition that concept is contradictory.

Couldn't care less who the candidates are. i'm more shocked about how undemocratic, outdated and discriminating your system is. 



The recount won't change anything as those states will still end up as Trump states. But there is nothing wrong with having a second look at close results, so doing the recount is fine, hoping that it will change the results is rather wishful.

What should happen is what has always happened, the candidate with the most ECVs on election night will be the next president.

What should happen in future elections is a question a lot of people will discuss, but nothing will change, because Republcians are never on the losing side of a NPV/ECV mis-match.



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