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LuckyTrouble on 02 December 2016
oniyide said:
LuckyTrouble said:
All the points against Bluray in this thread apply doubly to the UHD format that so many tried to claim the PS4 Pro would fail if it didn't support. Bluray was only utilized in game systems because of higher capacity discs. That's it. It wasn't the superiority of the disc format, and I doubt it was even strongly in favor of 720p and 1080p content seeing as HD only gained prominence due to the convenient nature of flat screens over fat CRTs in room arrangements. The exclusion here would probably be Sony since they tried to push bluray in an incredibly risky move that didn't really pay off with the PS3 launch.

Bluray only holds a small share of the market compared to even modern DVD sales, and UHD may as well not exist on sales charts in comparison. TV manufacturers are trying desperately to get people to latch onto 4K out of a distinct misunderstanding of what made HD big to begin with. Much like with HD, resolutions over 1080p will only gain prominence as manufacturers simply stop making 1080p monitors and televisions, and like with the resolution shift, DVDs will remain prominent due to their lower price and your average consumer not really caring if they can distinctly make out every imperfection on an actor's face.

I'm building a bluray collection personally, but I basically only buy movies when they drop to DVD pricing anyways. As much as I genuinely appreciate HD content, I still won't pay a premium for a format that is now a decade old.

out of curiousity are Blu Rays very expensive where you are at? Cause I have a large collection and they are fairly cheap. Most movies release 15 dollars maybe 20 and thats with it coming with DVD and digital format. Its been a while since they were 30 dollars.

Most blurays seem to launch at between $25 - $30. Anything with Disney stamped on the label basically only goes lower during holiday sales. Most other movies drop to between $10 - $15 within a few months of release. If I really want a movie like I did with Sing Street, I'll buy it day one cost be damned, but I'm content waiting for lower prices for the rest.

I picked up my last batch of blurays a few weeks ago for about $6 a piece off Amazon for movies ranging from classics like Pulp Fiction and Se7en to comedies like Horrible Bosses and Tucker & Dale vs Evil. Waiting is my friend.

4K Blurays aren't even worth looking at though. They tend to sit at $35 or so and don't appear to drop much. Selection is also still small and dwarfed by even the standard DVD section of stores like Best Buy. There is very little incentive to rebuy my movies in yet another format that doesn't even offer means of incremental upgrading by bundling like bluray movies often do with the DVD version.



 

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oniyide on 02 December 2016
LuckyTrouble said:
oniyide said:

out of curiousity are Blu Rays very expensive where you are at? Cause I have a large collection and they are fairly cheap. Most movies release 15 dollars maybe 20 and thats with it coming with DVD and digital format. Its been a while since they were 30 dollars.

Most blurays seem to launch at between $25 - $30. Anything with Disney stamped on the label basically only goes lower during holiday sales. Most other movies drop to between $10 - $15 within a few months of release. If I really want a movie like I did with Sing Street, I'll buy it day one cost be damned, but I'm content waiting for lower prices for the rest.

I picked up my last batch of blurays a few weeks ago for about $6 a piece off Amazon for movies ranging from classics like Pulp Fiction and Se7en to comedies like Horrible Bosses and Tucker & Dale vs Evil. Waiting is my friend.

4K Blurays aren't even worth looking at though. They tend to sit at $35 or so and don't appear to drop much. Selection is also still small and dwarfed by even the standard DVD section of stores like Best Buy. There is very little incentive to rebuy my movies in yet another format that doesn't even offer means of incremental upgrading by bundling like bluray movies often do with the DVD version.

interesting. I really havent bought a Bluray for more than 20 in years. Even the new releases, they usually have some sale at the beginning at least at places like Target and Best buy, Disney stuff not withstanding. I wait for sales myself and damned if I even look at 4k honestly Ill be done after blurays anyway



tripenfall on 04 December 2016
oniyide said:
LuckyTrouble said:

Most blurays seem to launch at between $25 - $30. Anything with Disney stamped on the label basically only goes lower during holiday sales. Most other movies drop to between $10 - $15 within a few months of release. If I really want a movie like I did with Sing Street, I'll buy it day one cost be damned, but I'm content waiting for lower prices for the rest.

I picked up my last batch of blurays a few weeks ago for about $6 a piece off Amazon for movies ranging from classics like Pulp Fiction and Se7en to comedies like Horrible Bosses and Tucker & Dale vs Evil. Waiting is my friend.

4K Blurays aren't even worth looking at though. They tend to sit at $35 or so and don't appear to drop much. Selection is also still small and dwarfed by even the standard DVD section of stores like Best Buy. There is very little incentive to rebuy my movies in yet another format that doesn't even offer means of incremental upgrading by bundling like bluray movies often do with the DVD version.

interesting. I really havent bought a Bluray for more than 20 in years. Even the new releases, they usually have some sale at the beginning at least at places like Target and Best buy, Disney stuff not withstanding. I wait for sales myself and damned if I even look at 4k honestly Ill be done after blurays anyway

Bluray has been out for 10 years.....



oniyide on 04 December 2016
tripenfall said:
oniyide said:

interesting. I really havent bought a Bluray for more than 20 in years. Even the new releases, they usually have some sale at the beginning at least at places like Target and Best buy, Disney stuff not withstanding. I wait for sales myself and damned if I even look at 4k honestly Ill be done after blurays anyway

Bluray has been out for 10 years.....

20 dollars



Wildcard36qs on 04 December 2016
V-r0cK said:
Does anybody know an approx. file size of a 4K video and how much bandwidth it takes to stream?

I've read that streaming an HD episode on Netflix takes around double the size of bandwidth than it would to just "download" the episode.

As convenient as streaming is, there are many countries that doesn't have the luxury of having a large/unlimited bandwidth at an affordable price.

Of the uncompressed 4K movies I have they average 50+ Mbps. I have some files that are 100Mbps average. I know that Netflix recommends a 25mbps for 4k HDR streaming. That is a huge quality difference. Don't get me wrong, 4K HDR streaming looks amazing, but once you see an actual UHD clip uncompressed, it's just in another league.



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Kuksenkov on 04 December 2016

This is very interesting. I know that Blu-Ray and DVD co exist with one another, but I never stopped to think as to why DVD is still around. Unlike VHS.

I guess DVD really created a huge market or was revolutionary, I still buy some from time to time and I haven't upgraded to Blu Ray yet, even though I've considered it since it isn't expensive nowadays.



Wildcard36qs on 04 December 2016

Watching a DVD compared to anything HD (even 720p) is unacceptable to me. I can't go back. Now in terms of audio (strictly talking about movies here), you would have to try pretty hard (and have a great sound system) to hear a difference between lossless and lossy.



SvennoJ on 04 December 2016
Wildcard36qs said:
V-r0cK said:
Does anybody know an approx. file size of a 4K video and how much bandwidth it takes to stream?

I've read that streaming an HD episode on Netflix takes around double the size of bandwidth than it would to just "download" the episode.

As convenient as streaming is, there are many countries that doesn't have the luxury of having a large/unlimited bandwidth at an affordable price.

Of the uncompressed 4K movies I have they average 50+ Mbps. I have some files that are 100Mbps average. I know that Netflix recommends a 25mbps for 4k HDR streaming. That is a huge quality difference. Don't get me wrong, 4K HDR streaming looks amazing, but once you see an actual UHD clip uncompressed, it's just in another league.

Uncompressed chroma subsampled 4K video at 24fps is 1.22 Terrabyter per hour.
At 100mbps you're looking at 44 Gigabyte per hour.
Netflix 4K HDR is 18mbps or 7.9 Gigabyte per hour.
Netflix 4K standard is 15mbps or 5.5 Gigabyte per hour.

I highly doubt you have seen uncompressed 4K video. Let alone 4:4:4 video, not color compressed, as the first step is to reduce color resolution to 1920x1080 by chroma subsampling. 2.44Tb per hour for 10 bit 24fps full color 3840x2160 video, that's 712 MB/s. SATA 3 maxes out at 600 MB/s. It's not possible!



JOKA_ on 04 December 2016

When I go to the store and the Blu-ray costs $32 while the DVD is $20 I go 'eh the DVD is good enough'



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oniyide on 05 December 2016
JOKA_ said:
When I go to the store and the Blu-ray costs $32 while the DVD is $20 I go 'eh the DVD is good enough'

what store are you going to where anything cost that much?