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kitler53 said:

i rediscovered the library.  netflix kind of sucks for movies but my library has all the new releases and for free.  so if i watch a movie that's how i watch it.  

Ha, I never thought of that. Shows how blu-ray is still not ingrained in today's society. The library here only lists dvds, yet some of them are actually blu-rays listed as DVD with the warning: This Blu-ray film will not play in standard DVD players.
No new releases here though, about the same as Netflix I guess. Star Wars took only a few months to come to Netflix here.



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SvennoJ said:
3sexty said:

What's really interesting is that Laser Disk came out some years before DVD. The format was released for Japan and the U.S back in 1978 and remained a significant niche product until around 2010 or something close. The disks are huge in size which kinda explains why it never became a huge hit..

Also intersting is the UHD version to LaserDisc that launched in '94, Muse hivision.
http://www.laserdiscarchive.co.uk/laserdisc_archive/muse_high_def_ld/Muse_high_def_ld.htm
The discs displayed at 1035i with upto 1122 horizontal resolution. (Actually 1125 scanlines with overscanning)
A full 10 years before blu-ray appeared. The last Laserdisc movie was released in 2002. The convenience of DVD killed the struggling format. The Hivision version never caught on due to it being very expensive for the equipment, movies and compatible displays. It only lasted 4 years.

Wow even back then. Thx for that additional bit of info. Have always found this kind of stuff interesting.  You kow ur stuff..



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Zekkyou said:
Azzanation said:

Interesting, seems as if your misunderstood my point. I am all for image quality hence why i own a Duel GPU laptop and plan on buying a GTX1080 PC in the next couple of months followed by a 4k screen. I am all for the hightest qulaity which is why i play games on PCs.

As for my comparison i am referring to 90% of thie site who made out that 900p and 1080p were worlds different yet compare that to the avaerge human who doesnt actually care and are still happy buying DvD quality movies.

As for the bolded, sounds like your jumping to conclusions here. I am all 4k next year and i wont be going back.

90% believe the difference between 900p and 1080p is akin to "worlds apart"? That's... an incredibly silly thing to say. So almost every Nintendo (VGCs largest fanbase), Sony, and MS fan on VGC don't only value image quality, but are image quality enthusiasts to the point that they actively express that the difference between 900p and 1080p is akin to "worlds different"?

Regardless, your reason for making the comparison doesn't change how flawed it is. Not only because DVD having its own clear advantages makes statements like "the average human doesn't actually care" somewhat aimless, but also because you're not dealing with 2 fully overlapping groups.

Pretty much all of the bolded. Iv never heard how good 1080p was compared to 900p until i joined this site. Apparently so many even said 900p is last generation. You would have seen the posts boosting it. 1080p to many in the real world does not matter, on this site however is means everything.

As for myself, i notice the differences quite easily however does it affect my purchase? does it affect my enjoyment? No.

As for your 2nd parfagraph, im not sure where yoiur going with this, i am honestly clueless. You have clearly misunderstood what im saying.  



In my country, Blue-Ray discs are too expensive and their price is not going down. Many people still stick to their DVDs (like me). People who have huge TVs (and wealthy pockets) prefer blue-ray



Azzanation said:
Zekkyou said:

90% believe the difference between 900p and 1080p is akin to "worlds apart"? That's... an incredibly silly thing to say. So almost every Nintendo (VGCs largest fanbase), Sony, and MS fan on VGC don't only value image quality, but are image quality enthusiasts to the point that they actively express that the difference between 900p and 1080p is akin to "worlds different"?

Regardless, your reason for making the comparison doesn't change how flawed it is. Not only because DVD having its own clear advantages makes statements like "the average human doesn't actually care" somewhat aimless, but also because you're not dealing with 2 fully overlapping groups.

Pretty much all of the bolded. Iv never heard how good 1080p was compared to 900p until i joined this site. Apparently so many even said 900p is last generation. You would have seen the posts boosting it. 1080p to many in the real world does not matter, on this site however is means everything.

As for myself, i notice the differences quite easily however does it affect my purchase? does it affect my enjoyment? No.

As for your 2nd parfagraph, im not sure where yoiur going with this, i am honestly clueless. You have clearly misunderstood what im saying.  

So you stand by your claim that 90% of VGC users believe the difference is "worlds different"? Nintendo fans and all?

And no, i think it might be you misunderstand. You said your reason for making the comparison is because, to quote you exactly and in full "As for my comparison i am referring to 90% of thie site who made out that 900p and 1080p were worlds different yet compare that to the avaerge human who doesnt actually care and are still happy buying DvD quality movies.". 

I was pointing out that DVD having an objective advantage over Blu-ray (average cost) makes your claim that DVD's popularity is proof that 'the average human doesnt actually care' is aimless. Without controlling for that objective variable (so proving people don't care at all, rather than simply valuing cost over quality), you're just making an assumption and asserting it as fact. By extension, the absence of that same variable with the PS4 and X1 makes the comparison silly.



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Zekkyou said:
Azzanation said:

Pretty much all of the bolded. Iv never heard how good 1080p was compared to 900p until i joined this site. Apparently so many even said 900p is last generation. You would have seen the posts boosting it. 1080p to many in the real world does not matter, on this site however is means everything.

As for myself, i notice the differences quite easily however does it affect my purchase? does it affect my enjoyment? No.

As for your 2nd parfagraph, im not sure where yoiur going with this, i am honestly clueless. You have clearly misunderstood what im saying.  

So you stand by your claim that 90% of VGC users believe the difference is "worlds different"? Nintendo fans and all?

And no, i think it might be you misunderstand. You said your reason for making the comparison is because, to quote you exactly and in full "As for my comparison i am referring to 90% of thie site who made out that 900p and 1080p were worlds different yet compare that to the avaerge human who doesnt actually care and are still happy buying DvD quality movies.". 

I was pointing out that DVD having an objective advantage over Blu-ray (average cost) makes your claim that DVD's popularity is proof that 'the average human doesnt actually care' is aimless. Without controlling for that objective variable (so proving people don't care at all, rather than simply valuing cost over quality), you're just making an assumption and asserting it as fact. By extension, the absence of that same variable with the PS4 and X1 makes the comparison silly.

Than if it makes you happy, lets change the % ratio. Either way, heaps on this very own site talked up 1080p being everything. Choose to ignore that if you wish. Iv seen what people have written on here.

Yes, i still stand by my post that not many care about upgrading to Blu-Ray, you know why? Because if they did care they would simply upgrade. *Mind Blown*

Blu-Ray isnt exactly expensive to get into. The main reason why many dont upgrade is because they dont see the point. DvD offers a satifactory movie experince. Much like 900p offers to gamers etc. 



Azzanation said:
Zekkyou said:

So you stand by your claim that 90% of VGC users believe the difference is "worlds different"? Nintendo fans and all?

And no, i think it might be you misunderstand. You said your reason for making the comparison is because, to quote you exactly and in full "As for my comparison i am referring to 90% of thie site who made out that 900p and 1080p were worlds different yet compare that to the avaerge human who doesnt actually care and are still happy buying DvD quality movies.". 

I was pointing out that DVD having an objective advantage over Blu-ray (average cost) makes your claim that DVD's popularity is proof that 'the average human doesnt actually care' is aimless. Without controlling for that objective variable (so proving people don't care at all, rather than simply valuing cost over quality), you're just making an assumption and asserting it as fact. By extension, the absence of that same variable with the PS4 and X1 makes the comparison silly.

Than if it makes you happy, lets change the % ratio. Either way, heaps on this very own site talked up 1080p being everything. Choose to ignore that if you wish. Iv seen what people have written on here.

Yes, i still stand by my post that not many care about upgrading to Blu-Ray, you know why? Because if they did care they would simply upgrade. *Mind Blown*

Blu-Ray isnt exactly expensive to get into. The main reason why many dont upgrade is because they dont see the point. DvD offers a satifactory movie experince. Much like 900p offers to gamers etc. 

It shouldn't be a matter of 'making me happy', but rather you being able to acknowledge when something you've said is clearly illogical. Regardless, I never claimed there weren't people who put significant value on 1080p, just that you're exaggerating that expressed significance and the prevalence of that expression. Only a fraction of a minority have ever claimed the difference between 900p and 1080p is 'worlds different'. And that's even with the majority of users on here, that being almost all Nintendo fans and a good chunk of our PS and Xbox fans, avoiding image quality discussion since they don't find them interesting. So it's a minority of those already interested. Surely, considering all that, you can understand why i think your claim is so silly?

Prove it then. Show me the data that backs up your claim. You're stating your claims as fact, so surely you have more than assumptions? Show me the data that proves there is little correlation between price and the strength of DVD. Historically price has been a driving factor in the success of almost all mainstreams products, so i'd be incredibly interested to see this data. That correlation failing with something as significant as DVD truly would be *Mind Blowing*.

Really though, it feels like your arguing with an alternative version of me, rather than the me here now. I never argued these people don't believe DVD is a satisfactory experience, i argued against your claim that the average person outright doesn't care (to quot you: "avaerge human who doesnt actually care"). There's a big difference between "I am fine with this" and "i don't care". The latter is absolute, the former can be influences by others variables. Variables like price. To many, the difference between £10 and £15 on every new film they buy is quite a lot, even if they do value image quality to an extent.

It's perfectly possible for your assumptions to be correct, I've never actually argued against the core point. Just how you arrive at that point, and how you use it.



Still no info about 4K blu-ray sales now BF is over. Yet I did notice the huge discrepancy between 4K releases in the US and Canada.

This article claims there were more than 250 4K UHD discs on sale in the US
http://www.i4u.com/2016/11/117115/amazon-black-friday-deals-more-250-4k-ultra-hd-blu-ray-movies
Well that's a gross overstatement as there are only 181 entries for 4K blu-ray on Amazon.com of which some are actually mastered in 4K blu-rays and some are doubles (different versions), yet they do pretty much all come with blu-ray + dvd.

Compared to Canada, there are 56 entries here for 4K blu-ray, only 39 of which are actually 4K discs, and most don't have a blu-ray included.

Now look for 4K HDR and you only have 5 choices...


Compared to streaming
http://4k.com/news/a-complete-list-of-600-titles-of-new-content-and-27-new-hdr-4k-titles-being-released-by-amazon-prime-12685/



LuckyTrouble said:
All the points against Bluray in this thread apply doubly to the UHD format that so many tried to claim the PS4 Pro would fail if it didn't support. Bluray was only utilized in game systems because of higher capacity discs. That's it. It wasn't the superiority of the disc format, and I doubt it was even strongly in favor of 720p and 1080p content seeing as HD only gained prominence due to the convenient nature of flat screens over fat CRTs in room arrangements. The exclusion here would probably be Sony since they tried to push bluray in an incredibly risky move that didn't really pay off with the PS3 launch.

Bluray only holds a small share of the market compared to even modern DVD sales, and UHD may as well not exist on sales charts in comparison. TV manufacturers are trying desperately to get people to latch onto 4K out of a distinct misunderstanding of what made HD big to begin with. Much like with HD, resolutions over 1080p will only gain prominence as manufacturers simply stop making 1080p monitors and televisions, and like with the resolution shift, DVDs will remain prominent due to their lower price and your average consumer not really caring if they can distinctly make out every imperfection on an actor's face.

I'm building a bluray collection personally, but I basically only buy movies when they drop to DVD pricing anyways. As much as I genuinely appreciate HD content, I still won't pay a premium for a format that is now a decade old.

out of curiousity are Blu Rays very expensive where you are at? Cause I have a large collection and they are fairly cheap. Most movies release 15 dollars maybe 20 and thats with it coming with DVD and digital format. Its been a while since they were 30 dollars.



They should just stop producing DVD's and force people to BD.



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