naruball said:
zorg1000 said:
Well ya Wii U only got a fraction of the Nintendo support 3DS had on top of other obstacles, no Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Fire Emblem, Tomodachi Life, Kid Icarus, Nintendogs, Luigi's Mansion, traditional Kirby, 2D Zelda, Mario & Luigi, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, Style Savvy, Mario Golf, Fossil Fighters, Chibi Robo, Rhythm Heaven.
You are correct that many people bought multiple 3DS models/special editions but is that any different from other devices? How many people bought the original PS3/360 along with one of their slim models and a special edition? Same with PS4/XBO, how many people bought the original model and bought/plan to buy a slim or pro model? Sure handhelds are more likely to sell multiple units to a single person but the point remains the same.
Your last 3 paragraphs really serve no purpose, the fact that more PS4/XBO games chart, the price of 3DS & number of AAA games a device has are absolutely irrelevent to anything you or I previously said.
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Ok, let's not kid outselves here. Are you really comparing number of ps4's that a ps4 owner might get with the number of 3ds's that a 3ds owner ends up buying? I mean, really? Of course it's different. First of all, you can find a 3/2ds even for less than 100 euro. A price that no ps console ever reached Black Friday or not. That kind of price allows you to buy both the green and the blue 3ds you want. Not the same with ps4. How many people upgraded to the XL version? Or to the n3ds version? Look at any thread asking how many devices you've owned and see how many versions of 3ds each user had. Plus, think of the space they take, and how much easier it is for one to break or to get stolen/lost. So, yes it is different.
If you think that the games you listed would have helped wiiu sell significantly more, then I don't know what to say. I seriously can't see anyone going "there are all these great wiiu Mario games, but meh. Oh, there's a Mario and Luigi game? I'm buying a wiiu for sure". I could see, however, people buying a wiiu for a different genre like Splatoon. DIfferent game that satisfies a need people had and was good enough reason (along with the rest of the catalogue) to buy a home console.
As for the last paragraphs, of course they are relevant. I'm not sure you've even serious here. You said Ninty IPs are enough to be a success and sell 80m. My point was that apart from some games selling great, the rest 3ds/wiiu games did not perform well. Instead of selling the almost the same device multiple times to the same person, they need to sell a device to someone who doesn't have it in the first place. So Ninty does need 3rd party games and more IPs to attract an audience. Splatoon attracted an audience and NInty must focus both on New IPs and on better relations with 3rd parties to be competitive again.
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My last post said that handhelds have a higher chance of being rebought, we have already established that, but the overall point remains the same, all devices that have revisions and special editions will have people who own multiple units.
Individually would those games have helped significantly? Probably not, but its the overall library that makes a device a worthwhile purchase, not games in isolation so singling out a title that also happens to be a much smaller franchise than many of the ones i listed is extreme cherry picking.
I never said Nintendo IP alone will make a device sell 80 million, I said they carry alot of weight. I pointed out that this generation Nintendo has sold 80 million units of hardware and of the 400 million units of software that has sold on 3DS/Wii U about 200 million of it is from Nintendo IP so a very large number of those 80m are because of a desire to play Nintendo games.
I dont see how you can seriously say most 3DS/Wii U games dont sell well, They have 7 games that have sold over 10 million, 17 that have sold over 5 million (or will shortly), 25 that have sold over 3 million & 65 that have sold over 1 million.
