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What do you think about the Smach Z?

Great Concept 18 17.31%
 
Its okay. 21 20.19%
 
Its shit. 26 25.00%
 
Its Garbage, the Switch w... 28 26.92%
 
Results 11 10.58%
 
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omgfk said:

onionberry said:

 yeah, and hopefully we will have an awesome portable steam machine, but I don't see it with the smach. As a pc gamer I would love to play my steam games on a portable console, without streaming.  The hypothetical Alienware portable, with good performance and all that is not going to cost less than $500, so it's going to be a premium product for gamers, still a niche product. You could say the same about steam machines, that was one of the highlights, thousands of games from the beginning "oh no, consoles are in trouble" and now what, steam machines are dead and the ps4 is the best selling console of this gen.

PCs are already alot more expensive then consoles and still make some trouble.

Steam Machines problem was, they didnt offer anything a self build pc cant offer but were alot more expensive and not as powerfull.

A handheld pc on the other hand offers alot a normal build pc can offer. So its definitly not compareable.

 

And its also about performance. The Switchs performance will most likelybe in the same range as the Smach. Both will play similar third party support but you wont see games like Mass Effect Androemda or RDR2 on both. If (non nintendo fans) are okay with that an are interested in the switch nontheless, they would be as interested in the smach as well. Because for normal people it doesnt matter if the game play zelda, mario and pokemon or gta, crysis and lol. the mature audience will most likely prefer the smachs offers.

But all in all i agree, the smach itsilf will most likely not have a marketing campaign and wont have a chance because of that. Most people will just not know about it.

Not just about performance, it's about optimization. See, with the smach you're going to have the steam library but those games are not optimized to be played on the smach, you have to play with the settings and deal with it, I don't see a game like fallout 4 running on the smach just because of that reason, at least not with great performance. You're going to have PC games developed for pc trying to run on a portable system without official support from bethesda(third parties). Now with the switch, even if the switch has the same power (And I think the switch is going to be more powerful because Nvidia > AMD in terms of portable chips) If Bethesda wants fallout 4 on the switch they are going to make that happen because that's a closed system, they develop a version for the switch and that's it. The problem with the smach is that is a portable pc, but it's not because there's no customization, you can't buy a better cpu or gpu, so in reality it's a closed system like a console trying to run pc games.

"The mature audience" doesn't exist, in that case "the mature audience" would buy pcs instead of consoles. If the switch has fifa, 2k, skyrim, zelda, mario, pokemon etc etc. people are going to say "well, I can play third parties on my ps4, but this is portable and a console and I will play nintendo exclusives plus some third party games and cost $250, while the smach costs $300-$500" that's some ps4 pro and xbox scorpio level of money.



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Knitemare said:
onionberry said:

I think this is a waste of money, not because I hate the design or anything, looks kinda cool but judging by the video, games are not optimized for this thing and I would not expect a lot of support like patches or updates from developers, $300 or $500 is too much for what it is. better buy a Switch or a 3ds+Vita Combo if you need portability. For $199 I would think about it.

^This... would be the main reason for this device to fail even with better specs than Switch and Vita and the WiiU...

But I have to say it, the buttons and joysticks distributions are far better than those of the Switch. I never liked Nintendo Controls, with the exception of SNES' ones.

Not even the Wii u pro controller?



 

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hershel_layton said:
Knitemare said:

^This... would be the main reason for this device to fail even with better specs than Switch and Vita and the WiiU...

But I have to say it, the buttons and joysticks distributions are far better than those of the Switch. I never liked Nintendo Controls, with the exception of SNES' ones.

Not even the Wii u pro controller?

Nah, buttons are way too small... Xbox's or DS4's buttons are the exact size for me



                          

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Oneeee-Chan!!! said:

 

Tegra X1 win.

x1 iks less powerfull, x2 is similar



onionberry said:
omgfk said:

PCs are already alot more expensive then consoles and still make some trouble.

Steam Machines problem was, they didnt offer anything a self build pc cant offer but were alot more expensive and not as powerfull.

A handheld pc on the other hand offers alot a normal build pc can offer. So its definitly not compareable.

 

And its also about performance. The Switchs performance will most likelybe in the same range as the Smach. Both will play similar third party support but you wont see games like Mass Effect Androemda or RDR2 on both. If (non nintendo fans) are okay with that an are interested in the switch nontheless, they would be as interested in the smach as well. Because for normal people it doesnt matter if the game play zelda, mario and pokemon or gta, crysis and lol. the mature audience will most likely prefer the smachs offers.

But all in all i agree, the smach itsilf will most likely not have a marketing campaign and wont have a chance because of that. Most people will just not know about it.

Not just about performance, it's about optimization. See, with the smach you're going to have the steam library but those games are not optimized to be played on the smach, you have to play with the settings and deal with it, I don't see a game like fallout 4 running on the smach just because of that reason, at least not with great performance. You're going to have PC games developed for pc trying to run on a portable system without official support from bethesda(third parties). Now with the switch, even if the switch has the same power (And I think the switch is going to be more powerful because Nvidia > AMD in terms of portable chips) If Bethesda wants fallout 4 on the switch they are going to make that happen because that's a closed system, they develop a version for the switch and that's it. The problem with the smach is that is a portable pc, but it's not because there's no customization, you can't buy a better cpu or gpu, so in reality it's a closed system like a console trying to run pc games.

"The mature audience" doesn't exist, in that case "the mature audience" would buy pcs instead of consoles. If the switch has fifa, 2k, skyrim, zelda, mario, pokemon etc etc. people are going to say "well, I can play third parties on my ps4, but this is portable and a console and I will play nintendo exclusives plus some third party games and cost $250, while the smach costs $300-$500" that's some ps4 pro and xbox scorpio level of money.

fallout 4 runs 40 fps on the smach, video on youtube



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omgfk said:
Oneeee-Chan!!! said:

 

Tegra X1 win.

x1 iks less powerfull, x2 is similar

What  I want to say is your first figure is imperfect , and misleading .  



omgfk said:
onionberry said:

Not just about performance, it's about optimization. See, with the smach you're going to have the steam library but those games are not optimized to be played on the smach, you have to play with the settings and deal with it, I don't see a game like fallout 4 running on the smach just because of that reason, at least not with great performance. You're going to have PC games developed for pc trying to run on a portable system without official support from bethesda(third parties). Now with the switch, even if the switch has the same power (And I think the switch is going to be more powerful because Nvidia > AMD in terms of portable chips) If Bethesda wants fallout 4 on the switch they are going to make that happen because that's a closed system, they develop a version for the switch and that's it. The problem with the smach is that is a portable pc, but it's not because there's no customization, you can't buy a better cpu or gpu, so in reality it's a closed system like a console trying to run pc games.

"The mature audience" doesn't exist, in that case "the mature audience" would buy pcs instead of consoles. If the switch has fifa, 2k, skyrim, zelda, mario, pokemon etc etc. people are going to say "well, I can play third parties on my ps4, but this is portable and a console and I will play nintendo exclusives plus some third party games and cost $250, while the smach costs $300-$500" that's some ps4 pro and xbox scorpio level of money.

fallout 4 runs 40 fps on the smach, video on youtube

I saw the video,  first was running at 25 fps the quality is very low and the guy had to do some tweaks, that right there is a problem for normal consumers. Like I said, it's a great concept, but not for a mass market.



So... this is kind of strange. The OP's account has been active for a very limited time, the two topics that they've made have been really similar (Will device X outcompete the switch), and they're going REALLY hard on defending/promoting the Smatch. Like... the passion seems a bit unreasonable, and there's a real unwillingness to take "I don't really like it" as an answer. Considering this is an item that has not yet been released, by a company with no brand loyalty, this devotion seems rather out of place.

Honestly, I kind of get the impression that this is an account specifically meant to market the Smach... Maybe I'm just paranoid, but this is a bit odd, specially considering the kickstarter for this thing is in its final hours.

At any rate, there are some big red flags with the Smach itself too. Most notably, this gem from the kickstarter page.

"Passive Cooling

The device is designed to spread the heat with conductive materials and cooper foam. The socket allows air flow even below the modules. The modules are separated between them 0’8mm, giving them air flow and preventing the collapse of the heat zones. All this translates into only 10 mm of thickness. This has not been tested with the final SoC yet, but from ImasD previous experience this is perfectly feasible. "

10mm of thickness with the power draw of the SOC (15W I believe) is concerning. If they actually got that to work with the passive cooling, then color me impressed. But, the similar GPD Win computer/handheld hybrid is running into problems with overheating, and that, like the Switch, has active cooling built in. There are also some notes on the page that the look they're showing may or may not be what the final model looks like.

As for why people should be more excited about the Switch, that's just a matter of common sense. Nintendo is a company for a reputation of making quality products. I'm not talking about "this is the most fun thing ever" quality, I'm talking about, "this is pretty well made" quality. Of course, some of their stuff is going to break, but they're one of the better manufacturers in terms of failure rate, their products almost always function as advertised, and they have customer service that is easy to reach and is generally helpful. Even if the products were identical, people would be 100% justified in being excited for the Switch and not the Smach.

But, they're not identical. The Switch's dock seems like a more elegant solution than the Smach's dongle attachment. The Smach is running an OS that is not necessarily optimized for handheld usage, nor for touch screen usage, while the Switch presumably will be optimized for both. Nintendo is working directly with NVidia, so the SOC will also likely be optimized for gaming, and for handheld gaming in particular. Being an actual PC means some overhead that most people using the system won't need. It goes without saying that the games are also not going to be optimized to the Smach's exact specs, and you run the classic PC gaming issue of "can I run that?"

In terms of the controls, the Switch has its detachable controllers which offer a bit more flexibility than the Zpads that could be placed on the haptic touch pads (sold seperately). Switch offers at least 2 player multiplayer out of the box, and also will almost certainly have some form of motion controls (beyond accelerometer) built in.

Finally with the library, the Smach lets you play your steam games. So, if that's your thing, great. It's not going to give you anything you can't get on your PC. Assuming you're a PC gamer, which pretty much everyone interested in this is, you're paying 3-400 dollars strictly for portablity. The Switch will have exclusives, and its target audience may not already have a gaming PC/PS4/XBone.

Ultimately, the topic is kind of silly. Even if we give the Smach the benefit of the doubt and assume it won't wind up being a crumbling turd (far from a given on Kickstarter), and that it will actually release and be exactly as described, then you have the normal "console vs PC" factors that you've always had, plus a few specific advantages for the Switch. But this is a kickstarter, and it is from a new company that does not have a proven track record. Until the device is actually in people's hands, there is no real reason to be excited for it, and even less reason to pay for one up front.



I plan to get one to play some of my indie games, and for the emulation capabilities, but the launch date is a difficult thing for me. So close to the Switch! Descisions , decisions.



Trunkin said:
I plan to get one to play some of my indie games, and for the emulation capabilities, but the launch date is a difficult thing for me. So close to the Switch! Descisions , decisions.

obviously the better choice. Buy it and you can play your whole steam libraray on the go.

buy the switch and you can play some third party, some wii u ports and a handfull new nintendo games on the go. need to buy each seperatly.