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the_dark_lewd said:
Lol the next 8 years.

He is essentially an internet troll.

I lol'd. Yeah, it seems that way.



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miz1q2w3e said:
the_dark_lewd said:
Lol the next 8 years.

He is essentially an internet troll.

I lol'd. Yeah, it seems that way.

You'll love to watch this.  :D



“Simple minds have always confused great honesty with great rudeness.” - Sherlock Holmes, Elementary (2013).

"Did you guys expected some actual rational fact-based reasoning? ...you should already know I'm all about BS and fraudulence." - FunFan, VGchartz (2016)

I think Trump can get reelected as he has become normalized now unless he runs against another Obama..

Imo if he moderates himself as he has since becoming President I think he will get a lot the never trump Republicans and moderates who went third party.

It all depends if the democrats dump the corrupt Hillary aspect of the party, because if they do that they should win.



FunFan said:

You'll love to watch this.  :D

lmao, that PAC-MAN ad. I'd never even heard of it before.

"America doesn't need a hero, it needs a troll" - OMG, I love it! XD



Soundwave said:
Slimebeast said:

Wow, you really look at the world through those socialist glasses.

Sanders would not have had a chance whatsoever. He's a freaking communist.

1. Yes, the majority thinks the ultra rich should pay more taxes, but there's roughly a majority of the population that strongly feels that the government should not overtax the hardworking American middle class.

2. No. The majority thinks that immigration is out of control. The majority wants that the nation gains control of its borders immediately. Also, the vast majority of white people think that immigration to the USA has been far to big in the last few decades and they think that immigration is about to change the nature of American society for the worse for a long time. The majority want to control

3. Let gays marry but keep the ceremony separate from religious marriage. You might not think it's a big deal but the majority of the population does. Also, many people feel that there's sort of a "gay lobby" that has gained too much strength in recent years. People aren't against gay rights, they are against the overexaggeration and the narrative that homosexuals are this very discriminated and suffering group (which is not true in modern society).

4. Legalize Cannabis, yes perhaps, but it's not so simple. The vast majority of the population are still extremely sceptical of drugs and want to keep strict government control in general. (as a comparison, legalizing Cannabis in Sweden is a non-issue because there's a compact majority of both the people and the politicans who are against all drugs).

5. Perhaps this is true. I'm not well informed on this issue.

6. Legal yes. But isn't abortion legal in the US and has been since the 70's? So the relevant issue to discuss in politics right now is regulation. And the majority of people feel that abortion is allowed too easily today, and they certainly don't like that Hillary and others support abortion during the whole freaking pregnancy. Abortion of 6-8 months old fetuses?  That's a huge no no. The vast majority of people do not support that.

7. Yes, stricter control of guns, but a large part of the population feels that the principle of gun ownership is an extremely important issue, and they're very sensitive to all policies who potentially threaten that principle. If an issue is very important for 1/4th of the population, while the majority are undecided or mildly in opposition, that can decide the issue in the minority's favor.

8. Again I'm not well informed. But is Trump strongly against raising minimum wage then?

Sanders, Biden, or Obama all would've beaten Trump. This is a guy who lost the popular vote by 2 million, the only reason he won is by razor thin margins in three states Democrats have won the last 3-4 election cycles and that was because Clinton had serious baggage in those states (tied to NAFTA, personality of a chalkboard). 

He is the most unpopular elected president in US history, no one has ever lost the popular vote by that much and still been able to win a presidency. In general Republicans have lost 6 of the last 7 elections by popular vote. Hilary Clinton wasn't a great candidate at stirring enthusiasm, she is poor at giving speeches and poor at campaigning. 

On the points you can call them "socialist" but those points stand IMO, the majority of Americans favor all 8 of those, and "but they'll tax the middle class" is the classic con job. There isn't much revenue in taxing middle class people, so yes or no, should ultra wealthy and huge corporations pay more tax? This is unanimously a yes. Companies and rich people get away with it by spinning it into "they might tax you hard wurkin Muricans!", lol, because they know the numbers don't favor them on this issue at all.

Also keep the ceremoney "seperate" from a relgious cermoney? I don't think most Americans really give a shit honestly about that. If gay people want to be married in whatever ceremony they want that's their business. 

Do you have any evidence that suggests Sanders would have won? Were there any mock polls before Hillary was nominated at the DNC that unanimously showed that communist would have beated our supreme leader Trump?

I was just showing that you putted a socialist spin on those points. I know very well that you, just like every other socialist, are fully convinced that these policies just reflect human progress in general and that they will be accepted worldwide one day. Like my ex-girlfriend said, "everybody is a leftist in their heart, they just don't know it yet". Who knows.

You may not agree that the middle-class is heavily taxed and I may not either, but at least you acknowledge it's quite a popular opinion in political debate and probably among Americans.

How can you really say that most Americans don't give a shit about the formalities of gay marriage? Again I think it's your radically progressive leftist worldview talking. Even in Sweden our leftist politicians gave a shit and made the homosexual marriage separate from the religious ceremony (although the legal procedure can be enacted by priests) and it has a different name, "registrated partnership", while traditional hetero marriage is called "marriage". And knowing that more people in America are religious than in Sweden I'm sure that many care, even if it's just symbolic.



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LadyJasmine said:
I think Trump can get reelected as he has become normalized now unless he runs against another Obama..

Imo if he moderates himself as he has since becoming President I think he will get a lot the never trump Republicans and moderates who went third party.

It all depends if the democrats dump the corrupt Hillary aspect of the party, because if they do that they should win.

Yes. People need to start realizing that Trump winning was not just some strange accident. It reflects the will of many people.

Trump can definitely win a second term. I'm already leaning towards that bet.



SpokenTruth said:
Ouroboros24 said:

Simple.  Because of the office he holds.  You don't have to like him, but let him do his job first.  He did and said shit in the past, but the future is up in the air.  I get you're angry, don't know why really, but you can't take your ball and run home just because the points aren't on your favor.  Let the die roll and then crucify him if he's terrible. 

With that kind of mindset, let's elect anybody regardless of their past.   I guess that means everything the R's claimed about Hillary Clinton means nothing then because it's all in the past and the future is up in the air.

 

Do you know how you predict the future?  You study the past.

Don't throw anything away, but don't condemn them without giving them a chance.  It's not like Trump killed anyone.  He's said dumb shit, but does that mean you get to deny him of a chance to run the place before he's even started.  All I'm saying is let him mess up and get himself into trouble.  or let him succeed.  Just give him a chance.  If you don't, well to me it sounds like sour grapes on your part. 



Soundwave said:
Ouroboros24 said:

Simple.  Because of the office he holds.  You don't have to like him, but let him do his job first.  He did and said shit in the past, but the future is up in the air.  I get you're angry, don't know why really, but you can't take your ball and run home just because the points aren't on your favor.  Let the die roll and then crucify him if he's terrible. 

Nope that isn't how a free society works. 

The president isn't entitled to be popular and what you say on the campaign trail has consequences. He willingly chose to run a campaign based on explosive rhetoric and constroversial statements, he does not now get a "clean slate" or free pass. People have the right to resist said policies and protest if they want. If a politican on the left ran on equally divisive/extremist statements (like for example saying "we're going to confiscate guns on day 1") I would expect massive resistance and protest from people on the right. 

If he wants the respect of his electorate he can go earn it. Not citizen is obligated to "give a politican a chance" when politican is pledging policy that is offensive to said citizen. 

I didn't say drink the cool aid and never question what he does.  I simply state that he at least deserves the benefit of the doubt.  We're stuck with him for 4 years whether you like it or not(or move out of state).  We can't have an open mind and say "alright, I'll give you the 100 days".  Not even 100 days, 50 days, 30 days, 10 days, even a day.  Look, he's not even started yet, but this sounds a lot like doom and gloom before the game has even started.  Yes, he's hired contraversial people in his cabinet, but day 1 has not even started.  We don't know what kind of jobs they'll do, but I can't say it's going to be good or bad.  Question him, challenge all he does, look at Trump with a magnifying glass and point out his faults, but before all of that, give him a chance.  Because basically, you have to.  He's President Elect.



Soundwave said:
Egelo said:

 

Berie would have lost, hes to much a socialist for any one but brainwashed collage kids to vote for him.

Biden who in the hell knows.  He was not even in a primary, saying hed do well is no different thinking then all those that had Bush as a shoe in till Trump anahilated him.  

Time change, historuically blue states might be red for a long time.  Peopel are since of PC BS, facts being racist and the mentally ill extremist left.  They just want a job and ability to pay bills not fairy tale diversity utopias and whatever otehr bs the left is peddling.  

I take it English is not your first language. 

Bernie Sanders is actually the only credible candidate who will do anything for the working class. Trump is a phony who picked up on the populist rhetoric because he's a salesman. That's what he does. He tells people what they want to hear to close the deal. His cabinet appointments already betray that. 

Trump is the most unpopular president to be elected in modern history, he lost the popular vote by 2 million and he turned the Rust Belt sure, but the margin was a razor thin one, those areas are pro-union, lets see how they react once they realize a lot of what Trump shovelled was bullshit. 

"Fact is" actually I think most Americans agree on many key issues. Notably:

1.) The ultra rich should pay more taxes. 

2.) There should be tighter immigration, but there should be amnesty for immigrants already here. Get them legal and paying tax. People don't want families ripped apart. 

3.) Let gays marry.

4.) Let those who want to smoke pot, smoke pot. Tax it. The "war on drugs" is a colossal failure. 

5.) Americans want universal, single payer health care. Health care is a right, not a privelege. 

6.) Abortion is regrettable, but should be legal. 

These are issues that have majority backing in the US. The conservatives are the ones on the losing side of every one of these, a Trump presidency doesn't change that, it only delays certain things for 4-8 years. 

Oh good lord.  Bernie is so credible, he ran to back the most 'establishment' candidate he possibly could (And then subsequently had enough money for his 500,000$ beach house).   Trump said it best,  Bernie can see what the problems are (The middle class being hosed) but doesn't have the slightest clue how to fix it.  Bernie would have lost too because a vast majority of the country is not going to elect a socialist.  

"Free CollegeTuition!!!"

"When you're white, you don't understand poverty"

 

"Fact is"

- The Ultra Rich already pay a vast, vast bulk of the taxes.  I don't think they should pay more.  I think the government should spend less.  

 - I don't care about families being 'ripped apart' ,  when someone gets taken to jail for being involved in a crime, it rips their family apart too, should we not put criminals into jail who have families? 

- Gays already can get married --- this election hasn't changed that.

- War on drugs against Pot?  Failure sure (Again nobody really was changing this).  War on all drugs, absolutely not.  Heroin has destroyed many portions of this country and it's getting worse.

- Healthcare isn't a "right".  By your notion, food is a right, shelter is a right, a "job" is a right.  Get real.  Healthcare is too expensive, but it's not a "right".   Many people just saw the fundamental flaw of socialism. The cost only goes one direction.  I take it English isn't your first language with the way you butchered privilege?

- Abortion is pretty split down the middle. Late term abortion is pretty universally against by most people though. "The fetus has no constitutional rights" - Clinton didn't seem to get that memo.

 

Been listening to the "Conservatives are on the wrong side of __________"  forever.  Just like Trump "can't win" for 18 months.  You're wrong, you've been proven wrong and it's pretty straight-forward.



Nope. Trump not only managed to ensure a democrat auto-win for the presidency in four years, he single-handedly destroyed any chance the republicans will win many seats in the house and senate as well.

This is like that episode of the Simpsons where Homer promises a whole bunch of bullshit he knows he can't possibly deliver and gets voted in. Trump doesn't know what the fuck he's doing and he's going to crash and burn... hard.