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shikamaru317 said:
I kind of agree with her that private school vouchers are needed. Public schools are shit and I don't see them ever getting any better, lower income families should be able to send their kids to private schools if they want to.

The problem is that isn't what happens.

My student teaching was done in a school in a gentrifying neighborhood in Brooklyn.  There were two schools in the building.  One was decent charter school, and one was a public school.

The public school was about 70% black, 25% hispanic.  A lot of the kids lived in shelters, but most lived in the nearby housing projects.  The charter school was about 70% white, 15% asian, and the vast majority were upper middle class kids.

Charter schools have a lot of leeway over who gets into the school, and who gets kicked out (not as much leeway as private schools though).  They want kids from families with more money.  Because those kids have books in their houses, computers, parents who have time to help them with homework, tutors if they need help with a subject, and so on.  They do better, and the school gets better ratings, and then rich(er) parents push for their kids to get in. They also have parents who are familiar enough with the system to, through legitimate means or nepotism, get their kids into better schools. An immigrant (let's assume legal for the sake of simplicity) parent who doesn't speak English and doesn't know many people is far less likely to get their kid into a good public school, and it'll be even tougher for a private school.

I worked as an assistant teacher in a specialized school.  Still a public school, but with control over their admissions.  Not surprisingly, but the kids were from upper middle class or straight up upper class families.  A lot of the kids were indeed incredibly smart, and the school had high quality teachers and lots of programs.  The school also had a PTA that was donating thousands of dollars a year, fundraisers that drew tons of money, and about half of the kids had some sort of extra tutoring on the side, particularly if they were struggling with standardized tests.

In an ideal world, school choice is great.  In reality, schools are going to select students who are going to make them look good.  This means the schools will be largely upper middle class, and largely white and asian.  Without an absolutely monumental overhaul of the whole system, this plan is going to be great for the upper middle class (the upper class are going to go to better private schools anyway) and not for the people who actually need the help.



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JWeinCom said:

I'm genuinely confused as to what you think should be taking up most of the public school budget if not employees.

Not what I was getting at ... 

Much bitching for schools being expensive but I don't see them frequently offering free tutoring ... 



fatslob-:O said:
JWeinCom said:

I'm genuinely confused as to what you think should be taking up most of the public school budget if not employees.

Not what I was getting at ... 

Much bitching for schools being expensive but I don't see them frequenty offering free tutoring ... 

Huh?  Who should be offering free tutoring?



deskpro2k3 said:

Betsy DeVos, Trump’s Education Pick, Has Steered Money From Public Schools

New York Times: "It is hard to find anyone more passionate about the idea of steering public dollars away from traditional public schools than Betsy DeVos, Donald J. Trump’s pick as the cabinet secretary overseeing the nation’s education system."

Meet Betsy DeVos,

  • Billionaire
  • No Education degree
  • No teaching experience
  • No experience working in a school environment
  • Never attended public school or state university
  • Never put her own children in public school
  • Does not believe in or support public education
  • Believes that public school teachers are overpaid
  • Supports for-profit education
  • Invested $200 million in Christian schools and organizations
  • Doggedly advocates funneling money out of public education and into for-profit Christian-based education
  • Donated $9.5 million to Trump's campaign

Here is the question you should be asking yourself, should your tax dallors go to a private school that denies science?

Lol, Here in Mexico we have had this guy, who never went to public school, nor is a teacher himself, or knows anything about public education, and its the head of this government division, and has bean tearing down the public education budget and plans for over 4 years... Hes been reducing payments for the teachers and their benefits and knows jack shyte about his job. Schools now have to pay for they electricity and potable water bills, and the money come from the students parents, and before it was a given from the government. Truly sad.



                          

"We all make choices, but in the end, our choices make us" - Andrew Ryan, Bioshock.

JWeinCom said:

Huh?  Who should be offering free tutoring?

Even better idea, since people complain so much about educational expenses how about we don't pay any of the teachers then!



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vivster said:
At least he is draining the corruption swamp. There is almost no corruption left outside of his cabinet.

Why, for the love of God, can we not 'drain the swap' and find people with experience in education?  Education is one of the only things clearly defined by social and economic issues.  It requires studied understanding. Not a tax cutting billionaire with experence or degree.  I would love to make the public system less costly, but please don't start cutting funding without first knowing whats being impacted.  I really hope she is advised by the best.  

Oh, and if she wants Jesus in textbooks, she can go fuck herself.  Religion should be considered an extra interest, not a requirement. 



fatslob-:O said:
JWeinCom said:

Huh?  Who should be offering free tutoring?

Even better idea, since people complain so much about educational expenses how about we don't pay any of the teachers then!

Uhhhhh... I seriously have no idea what you're trying to say.



fatslob-:O said:
JWeinCom said:

Huh?  Who should be offering free tutoring?

Even better idea, since people complain so much about educational expenses how about we don't pay any of the teachers then!

How will the teachers live then. They are not working mules they ar human beings. I know this is sarcasm but still



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Eagle367 said:

How will the teachers live then. They are not working mules they ar human beings. I know this is sarcasm but still

Much bitching about getting cost effective and high quality education but no one is willing to put forth their own welfare before others so we shouldn't be complaining for shit about it if no one wants to do a fucking thing about it since teachers also want pay in the end ... 



deskpro2k3 said:

Betsy DeVos, Trump’s Education Pick, Has Steered Money From Public Schools

New York Times: "It is hard to find anyone more passionate about the idea of steering public dollars away from traditional public schools than Betsy DeVos, Donald J. Trump’s pick as the cabinet secretary overseeing the nation’s education system."

Meet Betsy DeVos,

  • Billionaire
  • No Education degree
  • No teaching experience
  • No experience working in a school environment
  • Never attended public school or state university
  • Never put her own children in public school
  • Does not believe in or support public education
  • Believes that public school teachers are overpaid
  • Supports for-profit education
  • Invested $200 million in Christian schools and organizations
  • Doggedly advocates funneling money out of public education and into for-profit Christian-based education
  • Donated $9.5 million to Trump's campaign

Here is the question you should be asking yourself, should your tax dallors go to a private school that denies science?

If its a voucher that I can choose the school for my child, then yes, absolutely. Public schools fail a lot of kids regardless of your belief of religious indoctrination, and many Christian/religious schools perform much better, and are cheaper for tax payers. 



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