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Trump is on the best way to make China great again! I mean, it's not exactly what he wanted to do, but it's something! And I personally don't care too much if the world gets dictated by the US or the Chinese, so...



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Norris2k said:
naruball said:
The problem I have with his "fans" (or should I say fanboys?) is that when he said he'd made sure she was jailed for her crime, they were all like "finally someone with balls who wants to do what needs to be done". And now the change their narrative with the whole "so big of him to get past this".

Seriously it's the exact opposite of "damned if you do, damned if you don't". His fans will come up with excuses for anything and everything he says and does.

You can say the same thing about Trump haters. If he indicts her, you'll have the same people screaming about Democracy, about the Constitution, about the "American traditions", and he would have half the country and all the mainstream media against him. If he does not try to jail her,  it will be "lyer !". And if Trump fans are OK with the lie, they are dishonnest fanboys, and if they are not OK, then "you see, Trump is a lyer !".

At the end of the day, he does not jail her, he appoints or not someone that will look into it, and he will find something or not. She got massive speech money, donations and campain funds from the worst lobbyists on Earth, and you can already see her donations dropping now that she has nothing to sell. Based on common sense, she's probably guilty, but justice is not about common sense but about fairness and proves. So, I'd like to see her judged outside of a favorably rigged system, but I would accept there is not enough proves .

So, honnest feeling, I would be dissapointed if he does not appoint someone at some point. But he's still not President in Office, it could be a trick to start soft, or he could change depending on his popularity or a new wikileak.

Not the same, dude. Not by a long shot.

First of all, not everyone who disagrees with him is a hater, so I assume you're talking about a specific group.

So the haterz had a problem with him abusing his power against Clinton if he were to be elected president.

They now stress to the people who voted him that he's not keeping his promise. That's not a point against him, but against his voters.

So, no. If he does, yes he is damned. If he doesn't, he isn't. It's the reason that people who voted for him that comes into question.



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naruball said:
Norris2k said:

You can say the same thing about Trump haters. If he indicts her, you'll have the same people screaming about Democracy, about the Constitution, about the "American traditions", and he would have half the country and all the mainstream media against him. If he does not try to jail her,  it will be "lyer !". And if Trump fans are OK with the lie, they are dishonnest fanboys, and if they are not OK, then "you see, Trump is a lyer !".

At the end of the day, he does not jail her, he appoints or not someone that will look into it, and he will find something or not. She got massive speech money, donations and campain funds from the worst lobbyists on Earth, and you can already see her donations dropping now that she has nothing to sell. Based on common sense, she's probably guilty, but justice is not about common sense but about fairness and proves. So, I'd like to see her judged outside of a favorably rigged system, but I would accept there is not enough proves .

So, honnest feeling, I would be dissapointed if he does not appoint someone at some point. But he's still not President in Office, it could be a trick to start soft, or he could change depending on his popularity or a new wikileak.

Not the same, dude. Not by a long shot.

First of all, not everyone who disagrees with him is a hater, so I assume you're talking about a specific group.

So the haterz had a problem with him abusing his power against Clinton if he were to be elected president.

They now stress to the people who voted him that he's not keeping his promise. That's not a point against him, but against his voters.

So, no. If he does, yes he is damned. If he doesn't, he isn't. It's the reason that people who voted for him that comes into question.

I don't see how saying he's lying is not a point against him. Anyway, here, the point is "you should not have voted for him", wether he does the thing, or he does not do it, and wether you accept or not that he does do it... or does not do it. And that is totally similar to what trump fanboys do.

Regarding abusing power, I'm fully on the side of Giuliani when he says "there is a tradition of not going after your opponent in America, but there is also a tradition of equal Justice under the law". Just for Bill Clinton meeting privately an attorney General there is no equal justice. Trump litteraly "putting her in jail" would be abusing his power, but giving it a shot outside the influences there were, it is not. I value Justice more than tradition. Abusing his power would be to go after Obama or any sane Democrat or Republican. Not going after Clinton is like saying "being the not elected candidate is equivalent to a total immunity" from my point of view.



BraLoD said:
AZWification said:

Next you're going to tell me he won't build the wall!

China has already built a great wall, so he'll take that as enough great walls, he is also thinking about Mexico., so they don't have to pay for it, such a great guy.

 

Actually, it's a good thing if he doesn't even attempt to do the things he said he would.

Most dogs that barks chained usually won't bite when they are free.

Well, better to laugh at spins and twists than to cry with reality.

Let's hope he won't fuck with climate change then!



                
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naruball said:

I get what you're saying but I was being very specific. I'm NOT talking about republicans in general (see how I didn't say "republic**ts") or the people who voted for Trump (any Trump supporter), but very specific people I saw, for example on 9gag (I remember their usernames) who cheered for Trump when he said he'd prosecute her and cheered for him when he said he wound't. Same with his other proposals. They either praise everything he does or defend everything he does.

I'm most certainly looking at it from both perspectives, but we're talking about two different situations. Do you now see the difference?

Being specific is fine (even if I think it's a pointless argument since no one will defend an extreme), but that same argument could apply to someone saying 'libtard'. Maybe they're only talking about the politically ignorant group that gets their news exclusively from tumblr, or college kids that jump on political bandwagons without really understanding what they mean. These certainly don't define all people with liberal viewpoints, the same way Trump supporters aren't all defined the way your post describes.

Either way, I'm simply not a fan of double standards. Neither of your posts was specific enough for me to see one as better than the other.



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fatslob-:O said:
pokoko said:

I should hope not!  If they voted for someone without believing a word they say then I would think that nothing much bothers them!  Blind trust like that should lead to some very peaceful slumber!

It should be noted here that I'm making fun of the guy you quoted, not everyone who voted for Trump, because there is no way what he said is true.  No one is going to vote for someone they know is a liar and be happy about it!  I'm just ... that is simply the funniest thing I've read in awhile.

Well, at least we know that their not the ones starting protests about the election results ...  

You may have some irony there but I think I've struck gold with cognitive dissonance at a MASSIVE scale ...  

No matter, I await what Trump's extreme detractors will do next. Admit that their wrong about the second coming of Hitler or stay in the Wonderland hallucinating even more ... (It's like the cat said, "We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.")

This is exactly true.  Every time I see someone act like everyone on their side is behaving nicely and people on the other side are the only ones with troublemakers, it makes me want to go Samuel L. on their ass.  Seriously, is anyone really that willfully ignorant?  Or are they just playing as puppets for their Parties? 

Every four years, we go through this bullshit.  We have to watch both sides spin, spin, spin every lie, every decision, every mistake, and every instance of poor behavior.  We have to watch people on both sides act like total and complete hypocrites.  

Anyone who behaves like that really needs to take a look at themselves from the outside.  It's not a flattering picture.  Both Parties are just two sides of the same damn coin.  Whatever the other side is doing that you don't like, your side is probably doing the exact same thing or would do the same thing if the roles were reversed.

Though, that being said, it is fun to watch people struggle to pretend otherwise.



how about those supporters try to get a refund? i mean if the false advertisement argument worked with no mans sky, why not with trump?



Soundwave said:
Slimebeast said:

Wrong analysis. He is very passionate about this, he is passionate about being a president and being able to change stuff and becoming part of history. Oh yes.

And the proof is that after the election he didn't hide. He already told what he would prioritize during his first 100 days, which three things specifically he would focus on first, and that he has repeatedly emphasized that some reforms will be implemented fast, he clearly wants to prepare the people in radical changes. And he presented his new team pretty fast.

Choose the Supreme court judges, the fence, implement some immigration restrictions, cut the global warming international deals, cut the global trade deal. So many things he's gonna do.

Trump is a man of action. This presidency will be the most intense in history. This is going to be good.

He is hiding. He is not giving the press access like normal president elects do. He had the press for one closed door meet where he went on and berated NBC News for using ugly double chin photos of him and then saying he was OK with the current photo they use. That's what his psychology is. He is already skipping daily intelligence briefings. 

He is hunkered down in his golf course in Florida, his wife is saying she likes her posh life in New York too much and won't be moving into the White House, and I bet deep down he feels the same way. Moving in to the White House is going to be a "downgrade" for him, and no more fun beauty paegents or parties, no more Apprentice tapings and move premieres, even no more rallies where people cheer and stroke his ego all day.

Now the hard work is going to start, policy decisions, having to actually do *homework* on global situations and not just shooting your mouth off, learning to swallow your pride and ego in certain situation, dealing with being hated by everyone at times with no cheering throngs to bring you up. A guy who's never worked manual labor a day in his life now having to prioritize these people on a day to day basis. 

At 70 years old, he only has at best probably 10 more good years left, all the orange spray tan in the world is not going to hide that forever, 4 years of the presidency is like 8-10 years of aging. I think this is also now dawning on him. 

You are not the first who has presented this theory, that Trump really doesn't want to be the president.

I think it's absolutely ridiculous. Who doesn't want to be the freaking president of the United States? You will enter the history books! You can mold society! You can actually change things!

And just look at the intensity of Trump's campaign. It's clearly the signs of a man who wants to change society. Trump has always had lots of energy. Of course he will want to be president full time.

But I guess only time can prove who is right.



I know many trump supporters and not one of them was interested in the more outlandish nonsense he said, like the "build a wall" or "throw Hilary in jail". I've no doubt there's people who want that, but I don't believe it's the majority of them.

Many were simply anti-Hilary, and I know others who just like his plan to lower corporate tax and raise tariffs to encourage domestic manufacturing. For those attributing this simply to racism, do consider that these are the same people who had Ben Carson leading for quite a while.