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Norris2k said:
JWeinCom said:

I seriously have to ask based on your posts, do you uncritically accept whatever you see on some poorly edited youtube video that cherry picks quotes to make a dishonest argument?  Do you actually look into these things?

The article that he's quoting in the video does not show anyone "screaming bloody murder".  The article explains why there is a tradition of the president accepting his salary.  The reason for that is simply because they don't want to set the precedent.  The concept of the president receiving a salary is to ensure that he has enough money that he can't be easily tempted or bribed, and also to symbolically show he is an employee of the people.  Obviously, this isn't a big issue for Drumpf, and it hasn't been for pretty much any recent president.  

However, this might be an issue for a future president who is not already rich.  For that reason, they don't want it to become a tradition for the president to refuse his salary.  If it becomes a tradition, then there may be pressure on future presidents to also refuse the salary, which might discourage non-rich people from taking the office.

Nobody is really going crazy over this... except for you.  A few news sources have posted articles explaining in a reasonably sober manner why Drumpf should take a salary, and donate it to charity if he wishes".  Nobody is "screaming bloody murder" or saying ridiculous things like "is there nothing left of the greatness America once had".  The only one really overreacting is you.

He's overracting. Still, Drumpf will not take a salary, you need a sick bias as a journalist to make a news on the fact that it's bad... not just bad, bad for Democracy. It does not make any sense because JFK already did it, because you can't prevent bribery with just 400.000$ a year when a campain alone is worth hundred of millions of dollars, and when billion dollar worth companies can spend anytime 250.000$ for a single speech. Just talking about Democracy, and founding Fathers, and bribery in this case is already getting crazy. Journalism has really gone low and shameless, and that's one of the reason why Drumpf could win, because a lot of people just can't stand mainstream media, can't trust them, and will see bias and lies in it even if there were none based on such crappy news. I can tell you, I learned English by reading the New York Times every days, and it was a great newspaper IMO. Nowadays I check the website to know what is the trendy bullshit in mainstream media. And that's an important issue, because if they don't do their job, any crazy guy on youtube is good enough.

JFK didn't refuse the salary.  He accepted it and donated it to charity, which is what the article they're quoting suggested Trump should do. 

The article is explaining why the constitution requires him to take a salary, and why he should.  They're not claiming that it is going to be the death of democracy, or evil, or anything like that.  There are examples of the media doing shameless things (including the members of the media who worked on Trump's campaign), but this was not one of them.



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JWeinCom said:
Mr_No said:
I don't like Drumpf as much as the next guy, but this does actually seems like something good he has done for once. Something not to complain about.

Apart from people being used to complain about anything, why is this a legitimate reason to complain?
JWeinCom said:

I seriously have to ask based on your posts, do you uncritically accept whatever you see on some poorly edited youtube video that cherry picks quotes to make a dishonest argument?  Do you actually look into these things?

The article that he's quoting in the video does not show anyone "screaming bloody murder".  The article explains why there is a tradition of the president accepting his salary.  The reason for that is simply because they don't want to set the precedent.  The concept of the president receiving a salary is to ensure that he has enough money that he can't be easily tempted or bribed, and also to symbolically show he is an employee of the people.  Obviously, this isn't a big issue for Drumpf, and it hasn't been for pretty much any recent president.  

However, this might be an issue for a future president who is not already rich.  For that reason, they don't want it to become a tradition for the president to refuse his salary.  If it becomes a tradition, then there may be pressure on future presidents to also refuse the salary, which might discourage non-rich people from taking the office.

Nobody is really going crazy over this... except for you.  A few news sources have posted articles explaining in a reasonably sober manner why Drumpf should take a salary, and donate it to charity if he wishes".  Nobody is "screaming bloody murder" or saying ridiculous things like "is there nothing left of the greatness America once had".  The only one really overreacting is you.

 

Chill! I'm not overreacting or going crazy over anything here. I just made a simple question for why people are pissed off on why is he donating his salary, which I don't see as a bad thing. There was really no reason to jump to conclusions and attacking me for blowing things out of proportions when I just made a simple question.



JWeinCom said:
WagnerPaiva said:

Not at all, I am following the Mark Dice´ report and the MSM headlines trying to spin a good thing as a bad thing. There is a difference between being polemic and being a troll. I am not spreading bs, I am commenting on the SJW evil way of reporting what happens.

I could create a brand new thread about their reaction to Drumpf eating a steak with his family, but I will not to spare the people that get nauseated when they see my threads.

But it is a constant: whatever Drumpf does, the SJWs spin it to sound evil. It is ridiculous.

You are following an obviously bullshit report.  Hence, you are spreading bullshit.

The articles mentioned in the video are not claiming this is evil.  They are explaining why it is better if he does accept the salary.  I asked you for examples of anyone trying to make this sound evil, and you did not provide any.  

Here is some of the passive-agressive reports I could found. Dice himself listed some ot the worst ones:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/donald-trump-salary-george-washington-214458

http://time.com/4570858/donald-trump-salary-president-history/

http://www.newser.com/story/234115/heres-whats-wrong-with-donald-trumps-1-salary-idea.html

http://www.businessinsider.com/how-much-does-the-us-president-get-paid-2016-11

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2016/11/14/trump-says-no-to-presidential-salary-could-you-do-the-same-cut-your-tax-bill/#4d19b3234017

And that, my good man, is a constant: spinning what he does as evil, and it is disgusting.

Now the new thing is to try to spin his opinion on gay marriage as evil.

He said he is "fine" with it, which is great, what else could we ask for? Gays can marry and everyone is happy. But once again the SJW are trying to make the dude look evil:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-same-sex-marriage_us_5829c604e4b02d21bbc97d2a

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-lgbt-trump-bannon-20161114-story.html

They say "don´t buy it" or "his opinions mean little".

Gay marriage is a important issue, it is done, let them marry, that is what he said. There is no spinning around it, the man have good intentions and the SJWs have not. 



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.

JWeinCom said:
Snoopy said:

I agree with you. I hate socialism because it doesn't go with human nature. A lot of Republicans are actually okay with abortions, gay marriage, ect.

By that, do you mean republican voters, or republican politicians?  Because there are very few republican politicians who openly endorse gay marriage, abortion, or anything like that.  If anything, they've become way more hardline on those issues.

They only say their against it to get money from Religon institution like the Catholic Church and votes of course. Once they hold office they don't do shit about it. Usually because they don't care about it or they know someone who had an abortion or who is gay. Dick Cheney is the perfect example of this.



pokoko said:
WagnerPaiva said:

More and more people will stop trusting the MSM and look for alternative sources of information. They had a bitter lesson with this election, that they cannot control all of the american minds, the majority could see through every lies. 

But they refuse to change...

The happiest day to America will be the day when George Soros is no more.

What, like they should believe you when you can't even get your facts right?  When you post lies and spread propaganda?  Look in a mirror.  You don't fight lies with lies.  You're every bit as untrustworthy as the "MSM" you always complain about.  You are the exact same.

People have already been over this issue several times in this thread.  It is a Constitutional requirement that a sitting President take a salary, so, yeah, he's going to take one.  He already knows about the law because he has referenced it before.  Every President in our history has received a salary.  Washington took a reduced salary and a few others donated their salaries to charity.

“Well, I’ve never commented on this, but the answer is no,” Trump said. “I think I have to by law take $1, so I’ll take $1 a year. But it’s a -- I don’t even know what it is.”  http://www.cbsnews.com/news/did-donald-trump-say-hed-refuse-to-take-a-salary-as-president/

This is a non-issue despite you pretending people are "going crazy".

Pokoko, the fact is: whatever Trump says or does, the media finds a way to say that it was evil. In the salary case, man, the passive agressive attacks where there, as subtle as the subject demanded in the MSM, and screaming bloody murder in the feminist SJW blogosphere. This is a constant.

They are doing the same over Trump having a steak dinner with his family and saying gay marriage is "fine".

There is no "lies against lies" as you say. I gave you guys the original report, I gave you the headlines, you all have Google. I will not list blogs that will get me banned for "being mysogin, listing gay sites to badmouth them" as I did in the past and it got me banned. I know better now. Sure, you guys can still ban me, but it will be without cause, I may be a idiot but surely I have enough cognitive capacity to learn from negative  imput reinforcement.



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.

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WagnerPaiva said:
JWeinCom said:

You are following an obviously bullshit report.  Hence, you are spreading bullshit.

The articles mentioned in the video are not claiming this is evil.  They are explaining why it is better if he does accept the salary.  I asked you for examples of anyone trying to make this sound evil, and you did not provide any.  

Here is some of the passive-agressive reports I could found. Dice himself listed some ot the worst ones:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/donald-trump-salary-george-washington-214458

http://time.com/4570858/donald-trump-salary-president-history/

http://www.newser.com/story/234115/heres-whats-wrong-with-donald-trumps-1-salary-idea.html

http://www.businessinsider.com/how-much-does-the-us-president-get-paid-2016-11

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2016/11/14/trump-says-no-to-presidential-salary-could-you-do-the-same-cut-your-tax-bill/#4d19b3234017

And that, my good man, is a constant: spinning what he does as evil, and it is disgusting.

Now the new thing is to try to spin his opinion on gay marriage as evil.

He said he is "fine" with it, which is great, what else could we ask for? Gays can marry and everyone is happy. But once again the SJW are trying to make the dude look evil:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-same-sex-marriage_us_5829c604e4b02d21bbc97d2a

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-lgbt-trump-bannon-20161114-story.html

They say "don´t buy it" or "his opinions mean little".

Gay marriage is a important issue, it is done, let them marry, that is what he said. There is no spinning around it, the man have good intentions and the SJWs have not. 

I clicked on one of your links at random.  Here is what it said.

Last year, then-Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Drumpf declared he would forego a presidential salary if elected.

"I won't take even one dollar. I'm totally giving up my salary if I become president," Drumpf said in a video posted to his Twitter account.

Most recently the president-elect told "60 Minutes" that he would take a $1 salary because the law required him to.

According to Title 3 of the US Code, the US President "shall earn" a salary of  $400,000, along with a $50,000 annual expense account, a $100,000 nontaxable travel account, and $19,000 for entertainment.

Like most employees, the president receives benefits in addition to a salary. Unlike most employees, though, these benefits include free transportation in the presidential limousine, Marine One, and Air Force One and free housing in the White House.

Another bonus: At the end of their terms, presidents are still on government payroll, which includes an annual pension of about $200,000, healthcare, paid official travel, and an office.

Of course, if Drumpf really doesn't want the $400,000 a year, he could always donate it to charity like his predecessors John F. Kennedy and Herbert Hoover did.

But, as even the first president, George Washington, learned the hard way, you can't completely forgo a salary if you're the leader of the free world.

Washington earned $25,000 a year when he came into office in 1789. That may not sound like much, but to put Washington's compensation into perspective, $25,000 in 1913 — the oldest year the inflation calculator accounts for — is equivalent to about $600,000 today.

As Time recently reported, Washington didn't want to take a salary either.

"I must decline as inapplicable to myself, any share in the personal emoluments, which may be indispensably included in a permanent provision for the Executive Department;" he said during his inaugural address, "and must accordingly pray that the pecuniary estimates for the Station in which I am placed, may, during my continuance in it, be limited to such actual expenditures as the public good may be thought to require."

But the lawmakers at the time wouldn't hear of it, saying that the constitution required Washington to receive compensation, as not taking a salary would open the president up to bribery and corruption.

Between 1789 and today, there have been five pay raises for US presidents, the most recent one coming in 2001, when Congress doubled the presidential salary from $200,000 to $400,000.

That salary alone is nearly enough to put the president in the top 1% of earners.

 

That's the full text of it.  Please explain to me what part of this shows that they are trying to make Trump sound evil.



Some of the reactions to Trump from the Left have just been utterly pathetic.

Completely indistinguishable from a child who doesn't want to share a toy.



JWeinCom said:
WagnerPaiva said:

Here is some of the passive-agressive reports I could found. Dice himself listed some ot the worst ones:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/donald-trump-salary-george-washington-214458

http://time.com/4570858/donald-trump-salary-president-history/

http://www.newser.com/story/234115/heres-whats-wrong-with-donald-trumps-1-salary-idea.html

http://www.businessinsider.com/how-much-does-the-us-president-get-paid-2016-11

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2016/11/14/trump-says-no-to-presidential-salary-could-you-do-the-same-cut-your-tax-bill/#4d19b3234017

And that, my good man, is a constant: spinning what he does as evil, and it is disgusting.

Now the new thing is to try to spin his opinion on gay marriage as evil.

He said he is "fine" with it, which is great, what else could we ask for? Gays can marry and everyone is happy. But once again the SJW are trying to make the dude look evil:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-same-sex-marriage_us_5829c604e4b02d21bbc97d2a

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-lgbt-trump-bannon-20161114-story.html

They say "don´t buy it" or "his opinions mean little".

Gay marriage is a important issue, it is done, let them marry, that is what he said. There is no spinning around it, the man have good intentions and the SJWs have not. 

I clicked on one of your links at random.  Here is what it said.

Last year, then-Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Drumpf declared he would forego a presidential salary if elected.

"I won't take even one dollar. I'm totally giving up my salary if I become president," Drumpf said in a video posted to his Twitter account.

Most recently the president-elect told "60 Minutes" that he would take a $1 salary because the law required him to.

According to Title 3 of the US Code, the US President "shall earn" a salary of  $400,000, along with a $50,000 annual expense account, a $100,000 nontaxable travel account, and $19,000 for entertainment.

Like most employees, the president receives benefits in addition to a salary. Unlike most employees, though, these benefits include free transportation in the presidential limousine, Marine One, and Air Force One and free housing in the White House.

Another bonus: At the end of their terms, presidents are still on government payroll, which includes an annual pension of about $200,000, healthcare, paid official travel, and an office.

Of course, if Drumpf really doesn't want the $400,000 a year, he could always donate it to charity like his predecessors John F. Kennedy and Herbert Hoover did.

But, as even the first president, George Washington, learned the hard way, you can't completely forgo a salary if you're the leader of the free world.

Washington earned $25,000 a year when he came into office in 1789. That may not sound like much, but to put Washington's compensation into perspective, $25,000 in 1913 — the oldest year the inflation calculator accounts for — is equivalent to about $600,000 today.

As Time recently reported, Washington didn't want to take a salary either.

"I must decline as inapplicable to myself, any share in the personal emoluments, which may be indispensably included in a permanent provision for the Executive Department;" he said during his inaugural address, "and must accordingly pray that the pecuniary estimates for the Station in which I am placed, may, during my continuance in it, be limited to such actual expenditures as the public good may be thought to require."

But the lawmakers at the time wouldn't hear of it, saying that the constitution required Washington to receive compensation, as not taking a salary would open the president up to bribery and corruption.

Between 1789 and today, there have been five pay raises for US presidents, the most recent one coming in 2001, when Congress doubled the presidential salary from $200,000 to $400,000.

That salary alone is nearly enough to put the president in the top 1% of earners.

 

That's the full text of it.  Please explain to me what part of this shows that they are trying to make Trump sound evil.

You know it man, you just want to outsmart me to fell awesome, cause you know you can win over any argument I present.

But being smart does not mean you are right or that you are at truth´s side.

If Hillary did it, refused a salary, and surely she has almost half of Trump is worth in that foundation of hers, EVERYONE would praise it, say it is a awesome nice thing to do.

Why?

Because it is a awesome very nice thing to do, these people got into the ceiling of having money, they do not need public servant salaries.

But even this report you showed us, what does it do? I goes on and on over precedents, legal implications, I even saw one that talked about how Trump was after taxes refounds, as it was possible somehow that 400K would make any difference to a 2,5 billion net worth.

So, my point is, Trump will get no praise for doing nice things, in fact, he will get criticism even for the "non-issue" things he does.

Your point in fact is "WagnerPaiva is too dumb and is not even proficient enough in english to be able to expose my line of argument and I will roll with it cause I can".

But the fact remains: The MSM is bullying the guy over nothing, over and over again. For the same stuff Hillary would be praised for.



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.

WagnerPaiva said:
JWeinCom said:

I clicked on one of your links at random.  Here is what it said.

Last year, then-Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Drumpf declared he would forego a presidential salary if elected.

"I won't take even one dollar. I'm totally giving up my salary if I become president," Drumpf said in a video posted to his Twitter account.

Most recently the president-elect told "60 Minutes" that he would take a $1 salary because the law required him to.

According to Title 3 of the US Code, the US President "shall earn" a salary of  $400,000, along with a $50,000 annual expense account, a $100,000 nontaxable travel account, and $19,000 for entertainment.

Like most employees, the president receives benefits in addition to a salary. Unlike most employees, though, these benefits include free transportation in the presidential limousine, Marine One, and Air Force One and free housing in the White House.

Another bonus: At the end of their terms, presidents are still on government payroll, which includes an annual pension of about $200,000, healthcare, paid official travel, and an office.

Of course, if Drumpf really doesn't want the $400,000 a year, he could always donate it to charity like his predecessors John F. Kennedy and Herbert Hoover did.

But, as even the first president, George Washington, learned the hard way, you can't completely forgo a salary if you're the leader of the free world.

Washington earned $25,000 a year when he came into office in 1789. That may not sound like much, but to put Washington's compensation into perspective, $25,000 in 1913 — the oldest year the inflation calculator accounts for — is equivalent to about $600,000 today.

As Time recently reported, Washington didn't want to take a salary either.

"I must decline as inapplicable to myself, any share in the personal emoluments, which may be indispensably included in a permanent provision for the Executive Department;" he said during his inaugural address, "and must accordingly pray that the pecuniary estimates for the Station in which I am placed, may, during my continuance in it, be limited to such actual expenditures as the public good may be thought to require."

But the lawmakers at the time wouldn't hear of it, saying that the constitution required Washington to receive compensation, as not taking a salary would open the president up to bribery and corruption.

Between 1789 and today, there have been five pay raises for US presidents, the most recent one coming in 2001, when Congress doubled the presidential salary from $200,000 to $400,000.

That salary alone is nearly enough to put the president in the top 1% of earners.

 

That's the full text of it.  Please explain to me what part of this shows that they are trying to make Drumpf sound evil.

You know it man, you just want to outsmart me to fell awesome, cause you know you can win over any argument I present.

But being smart does not mean you are right or that you are at truth´s side.

If Hillary did it, refused a salary, and surely she has almost half of Drumpf is worth in that foundation of hers, EVERYONE would praise it, say it is a awesome nice thing to do.

Why?

Because it is a awesome very nice thing to do, these people got into the ceiling of having money, they do not need public servant salaries.

But even this report you showed us, what does it do? I goes on and on over precedents, legal implications, I even saw one that talked about how Drumpf was after taxes refounds, as it was possible somehow that 400K would make any difference to a 2,5 billion net worth.

So, my point is, Drumpf will get no praise for doing nice things, in fact, he will get criticism even for the "non-issue" things he does.

Your point in fact is "WagnerPaiva is too dumb and is not even proficient enough in english to be able to expose my line of argument and I will roll with it cause I can".

But the fact remains: The MSM is bullying the guy over nothing, over and over again. For the same stuff Hillary would be praised for.


I have not insulted your intelligence, I have not claimed I am smarter, and I have not criticized your english.  So please stop trying to frame this like I'm somehow attacking you.  I did not insult you, and claiming I did is a dishonest way to get out of answering a very simple question.  Also a strawman argument and an ad-hominem attack rolled into one.

You provided a link that you said explained how the media is trying to make Drumpf sound evil.  I'm asking you to explain how it does that.  I'm not being particularly clever or tricky.  If asking you to explain why you chose this source is enough to "win over" your argument, then your argument isn't very good, and you probably shouldn't be making it.

So, once more.  Can you show me an example of mainstream media sources "bullying" Trump or claiming he is evil for not taking the salary?  If you can't, then you are knowingly spreading bullshit.



So basically this thread is about a misleading video that does not properly cover the constitution which states the President has to take a salary. So the fix of course is for Trump to take the Salary and donate it to a Charity of his choice (Hopefully not the Trump Foundation).