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Nymeria said:
vivster said:

Step 1: Wait 4 years
Step 2: Pick any nominee
Step 3: Win election

Optional Step: Propose fair voting laws that will never get passed in a republican congress

 

I heard that this year, how any candidate could beat Trump in a landslide. The shock is still wearing off for some folks what just happened and could happen again. Nominating Tim Kaine, for example, sets them up for a loss, or a tepid win when opportunity is there is make huge gains in legislative branch as well as executive. Anti-Trump carries so far, but voting for something on top would bolster voting totals from 60 million to 70 million range causing knock on effect.

I will agree battling for voter's rights and saying "no one should wait hours to vote!" is a good move and call out states that make it harder.

The difference between now and then is that voters didn't have a 4 year Trump presidency to make their decision way easier.



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Nymeria said:
pokoko said:
A1 - The same thing the Republicans would have done if they lost: wait until people grow angry that those in power really haven't done anything to improve the country or change the status quo. The cycle is never-ending.

2 - Mimic some of the things the Republicans did very well. For instance, Trump could have cut out the heart of a small child in the middle of Times Square and sacrificed it to Satan and Rudy Giuliani would have been on the morning talk-news circuit the next day telling us that the media was being unfair and biased by reporting it. Say something long enough and loud enough and the less intelligent will believe it. This is absolutely brilliant. I'd start now with what Megan Kelly said about Trump trying to influence the media and I would have everyone in the party talk about Trump buying the media.

Really, the political parties don't fight back by improving themselves, they just resort to dirtier tactics. Trump winning is the catalyst for even MORE of that. He won by being nasty and combative and I expect the Democrats to take notes.

 

A radical notion would be to do something, but I understand the cynicism. Call me naive, but there has been periods where real change did occur in US history, and I think we are primed to do so again.

Maybe, but the truth is that most of Trump's plans were vague enough to get him elected but don't really give us enough to think they'll have much impact.  For instance, he said he would "replace Obamacare with something terrific" but what?  He's only mentioned small scale stuff.  He's going to force manufacturers to abandon billion dollar plants in other countries with tariffs?  Good luck with that.  If they come back, they'd just replace expensive American workers with robotics, anyway.

The truth is, most of the problems aren't going to be fixed because there really isn't a magic bullet that would please everyone.  The President will still be held responsible, however.  Hell, the best way to be regarded as a great President is to use short term solutions where those that come after have to deal with the fallout.  The results from Regan's policies all crashed into Bush I.  When people talk about Obama's debt numbers, they often include the amount inherited from Bush II.

I'm cynical about politics for a reason.



They need to be a party of and for the working class, of the everyday US citizen. Clinton and her entourage had an elitist stick so far up their ass Pluto was shifting it's orbit.



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Bernie will be way too old and Elizabeth Warren has no appeal, Tulsi Gabbard is the best choice for Democrats going forward.

But honestly if Trump executes his immigration plan well then he will most likely win the Hispanic support going forward and this is coming from a Hispanic. If He brings jobs to the Rust Belt than all the States that he won will never go Blue again for the foreseeable future.



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vivster said:

The difference between now and then is that voters didn't have a 4 year Trump presidency to make their decision way easier.

 

I get that as a measure to win in 2020, but then the cycle could begin anew with losses in 2022 and 2024 leaving the door open for the Republican party to capitalize again and possibly reinvent taking away groups taken for granted.

WolfpackN64 said:
They need to be a party of and for the working class, of the everyday US citizen. Clinton and her entourage had an elitist stick so far up their ass Pluto was shifting it's orbit.

They never had any chance against the friendly neighborhood billionaire.



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vivster said:
WolfpackN64 said:
They need to be a party of and for the working class, of the everyday US citizen. Clinton and her entourage had an elitist stick so far up their ass Pluto was shifting it's orbit.

They never had any chance against the friendly neighborhood billionaire.

Trump is terrible and will be a terrible president, but the Democratic Party really thought they could keep Clinton to win the presidency and that was a huge mistake.



Nymeria said:
vivster said:

The difference between now and then is that voters didn't have a 4 year Trump presidency to make their decision way easier.

 

I get that as a measure to win in 2020, but then the cycle could begin anew with losses in 2022 and 2024 leaving the door open for the Republican party to capitalize again and possibly reinvent taking away groups taken for granted.

There is no reinventing. The parties are fine how they are since they appeal greatly to their voter base. The policies never change. The difference is made by a handful of idiots who vote something different every time because they aren't really interested in politics.

Idiots are fickle, so trying to appeal to them is nothing more than a gamble.

Take disgruntled Bernie supportes for example. They didn't vote because it wasn't Bernie running. As loyal Bernie fans they didn't vote for Hillary and as such went against everything Bernie tried to achieve. Those people do not respond to logic, they only act on buzzwords. The best you can do is hoping they won't get too many buzzwords to sway them to not vote.



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Miguel_Zorro said:
Trump will be the oldest first term president ever elected at age 70. Sanders will be 79 when the next election rolls around. He'll likely be too old to run, but who knows.

1. Pick an exciting candidate. Somebody who believes in what they're saying and comes across that way.

2. Run on actual issues. The "I'm With Her" slogan implied that we should vote for the candidate simply because she's a woman. The campaign kept coming back to that. If you run a campaign as a personality contest, the person with the bigger personality will win every time - Bill Clinton, George W Bush, Barack Obama, Trump. Like them or hate them, the more charismatic candidate always won. If you're not the most charismatic, you need to run a different kind of campaign.

3. Campaign hard for reform. Make getting big money out of politics a major platform blank. Make reforming the electoral college another. Be careful with the second item, because the swing states currently have disproportionate clout and they won't want to lose that.

4. Talk about ideas, every day. Talk about what you're actually going to do. Be specific.

2.  I mostly agree.  I remember the big knock on Al Gore being "he's too wooden".  My mother told me that she voted for Bush II because "he seemed trustworthy."  Yes, that was her literal reasoning.  Like many, many other people, she hates following politics so often her vote comes down to presentation.  If you don't have the most charismatic candidate then you have to hammer on the issues (or the faults of the other candidate).

4. Trump has taught me to believe the exact opposite.  Being extremely vague worked brilliantly with him.  He had almost no plans or explainations, which worked extremely well with the less educated and less informed.  Just make a bunch of promises, over and over.  Talk about what you will do, not how you will do it.  "I'm going to clean up corruption!  I'm going to stop excessive spending in Washington!"  How?  Who cares.  If someone keeps bringing up that you have no plans, go after them and label them as someone who is against stopping corruption or excessive spending.  

I mean, that's not what I want but it looks like the most effective way to get elected.  After all, contrary to popular belief, the main job of a politician is to get elected.  Everything after is secondary.