Why do we need SS for 1080p? I mean is cool and gives you a better image quality but is a waste, and they are forcing it! I hope they do 1080p/60fps with better graphics and better AA that would really be sweet, is too early for 4k. My PC can do some last gen games at 4k and they do look amazing but the hit in FPS is just not worth it.

I never wanted down sampled 4k anyway, but I understand not all devs want to invest the time in tweaking graphics. It's a little more effort for Devs but actual 1080p modes should more or less be mandatory. Better AA and more steady performance & If they want they can leave it at that but hopefully they make further adjustments.

A lot of overreaction in here, they start the article by saying most games are definitely better. Mostly it's the remasters/ less taxing games that are aiming for native 4k which are struggling, I suspect this will be ironed out very quickly with a 1400p option

Also we can't be assured Scorpio wont run into similar problems. It'll be interesting because the quickest way developers will get 4k is to render the X1 build at high resolution, thing is the X1 build will often have worser texures and graphics then the base PS4. The resultant image will of course be better but I wonder how people care & how many Devs will try and bring parity graphically before rendering at 4k. It's that possibility that may result in Scorpio struggling with performance at native 4k

Im only bringing it up as its stated by the OP which has now been edited as a joke. Gamers need to move away from the Claim and this 8.4TF or many will be disapointed when a 6TF machine can out preform a 8.4TF machine. Im considering buying one and someone already at my EB games store that works  there told me it is also a 8.4TF machine to try to sell it to me. I just laughed in his face and told him, ill buy one soon but for the official 4.2TF.

The Scorpio also has at least 12GB of much faster GDDR5X memory, so even if the Tflops was a thing (which is isn't) people are just getting their hopes up way to high, obviously a console that is aimed to be the most powerfull and releases a year after the ps4 pro will be faster.

Sony also made some decisions to not compromise excisting ps4 owners (not changing the amount of memory or CPU too much) which microsoft doesn't seem to be doing, they are pushing with no limits but apparently, if what the youtubers are saying is true, they made it quite easy to optimize for xbox one and scorpio (reviewtechUSA said this)

Anyway, the ps4 pro has always been GREAT for new buyers, but as an upgrade if its worth it we will see next year, since the games really taking advantage of this (NioH and Horizon look good) are still to come out. but a smart buyer would always wait untill we know the complete story on the Scorpio, price, get some first looks at the games running on it, but yeah, the 8Tflops thing is just adding some wood to the fire for people defending the ps4 pro's performance and ability

Weird, that doesnt make sense. Will need to read this

This just highlights the pointless of the console imo. My base PS4 works fine and will play all games. What reason do I need to drop $800.00 on one platform when my initial investment of $400.00 will do?

Pointless.

I never understood this resolution vs frame rate debate. I always Prefer my 6+ hr gaming experience with sharper image and playable at 30fps with minor dips here & there, But I cannot stand 6+ hrs of game play with blurry low resolution just for the sake of higher FPS.

Also does PS4 Pro render at 1080p? I mean so far what i have heard is that it only renders above 1080 and down scales or upscale from there. So technically games are demanding more from the Pro, and not to mention games compared here had been optimized for the base PS4 with multiple patches, and Ps4 pro has not.

If this is true its because Sony is locking the specs. They need to unlock it, rather than force every developer to patch their game to get a high spec option in.

Yeah because normal 1080p is so damn blurry...

A stuttering mess is something way more annoying than a "blurry" 1080p (I can't even say this without laughing honestly) or even 720p, stuttering and unestable framerate disconects you from the game, lowers accuracy and makes you dizzy, can even give you headaches, and even when is locked at 30 is clearly never as good as 60fps, at 60fps the movements looks natural and not only improves the gameplay, it feels more inmersive and enjoyable to play as a whole. A "blurry" image is usually a pretty snob problem, is like, this was crystal clear 3 years ago, but now is blurry just because I have seen sharper ones, what a problem.