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Switch is Unlike the Vita & Much better

Re-Launch the Vita 31 17.22%
 
Let the Vita die already 126 70.00%
 
Vita vs Switch Holiday 2017 battle 23 12.78%
 
Total:180
SegataSanshiro said:
Look I will say it again. Vita did not originate the idea. NEC did with TurboExpress. SEGA was second with SEGA Nomad these were both Console/Handheld Hybrids and Nomad could hook up to the TV. Sony tried but it was clunky. Switch is the first time I have seen the idea done well. The tech is viable and will probably have a decent price. I LOVE my Vita so not hating on anything. Switch has yes killed Vita in Japan,no doubting that. Sony does nothing but kill it December 2017 or early 2018. Vita still has momentum in Japan and that will carry it a little longer.

Sony should be more worried about PS4 in Japan. Think about this. Switch will likely have Dragon Quest,Monster Hunter,Yokai Watch,Pokemon and Shin Megami Tensei series plus possibly Dynasty Warriors if Nobunga is already coming to it. Switch will likely dominate Japan with PS4 in a distant 2nd.

Agreed.

I´m not so sure that Switch will ... err... "dominate" Japan because there are some good exclusives on the PS4 as well, like Persona, Kingdom Hearts etc BUT if the Switch has a similar price to the PS4 there, or slightly lower, it will be a tough competitor for the PS4 for sure!



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SegataSanshiro said:
Look I will say it again. Vita did not originate the idea. NEC did with TurboExpress. SEGA was second with SEGA Nomad these were both Console/Handheld Hybrids and Nomad could hook up to the TV. Sony tried but it was clunky. Switch is the first time I have seen the idea done well. The tech is viable and will probably have a decent price. I LOVE my Vita so not hating on anything. Switch has yes killed Vita in Japan,no doubting that. Sony does nothing but kill it December 2017 or early 2018. Vita still has momentum in Japan and that will carry it a little longer.

Sony should be more worried about PS4 in Japan. Think about this. Switch will likely have Dragon Quest,Monster Hunter,Yokai Watch,Pokemon and Shin Megami Tensei series plus possibly Dynasty Warriors if Nobunga is already coming to it. Switch will likely dominate Japan with PS4 in a distant 2nd.

Really don't think you can say that remote play was very clunky considering how well it worked.

As far as PS4 comparison, I'd be shocked that a console would be able to outsell a handheld. That would be absolutely disasterious for Switch if it wasn't able to push past PS4.



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Kresnik said:
Viktor said:

The painting is on the wall, software sales have never been great on PSV and it saw a steep decline even starting from such a modest level. How exactly do you expect good software sales going forward when even PSV hardware sales reached sub 9k units per week levels now? But it´s not just hardware, as we have seen according low software sales at the same time as well. Even a well marketed World of Final Fantasy looks to have barely sold 50k units first week on PSV.

About Atelier, it´s not like recent YSO predictions look very promising, they have the next PSV entry at sub 25k. The Rorona comparison is also nonsensical, that´s like comparing FF tactics to the main series, completely different games besides lose story connections.

Yeah, you are winding me up lol, I see it now.

Never mind!  I shall not rise to this bait!

 

No, I´m not. I just look at the actual situation and available data, the trends are quite obvious. I just chose not to simply ignore them. While you chose not to explain how the the notable decline in PSV hardware sales won´t affect PSVs software sales.

 

outlawauron said:
SegataSanshiro said:
Look I will say it again. Vita did not originate the idea. NEC did with TurboExpress. SEGA was second with SEGA Nomad these were both Console/Handheld Hybrids and Nomad could hook up to the TV. Sony tried but it was clunky. Switch is the first time I have seen the idea done well. The tech is viable and will probably have a decent price. I LOVE my Vita so not hating on anything. Switch has yes killed Vita in Japan,no doubting that. Sony does nothing but kill it December 2017 or early 2018. Vita still has momentum in Japan and that will carry it a little longer.

Sony should be more worried about PS4 in Japan. Think about this. Switch will likely have Dragon Quest,Monster Hunter,Yokai Watch,Pokemon and Shin Megami Tensei series plus possibly Dynasty Warriors if Nobunga is already coming to it. Switch will likely dominate Japan with PS4 in a distant 2nd.

Really don't think you can say that remote play was very clunky considering how well it worked.

As far as PS4 comparison, I'd be shocked that a console would be able to outsell a handheld. That would be absolutely disasterious for Switch if it wasn't able to push past PS4.

PS4 is outselling PSV quite handily in 2016 hardware sales In Japan. PS4 looks like to be heading towards selling 2 times the ytd amount of PSV by the end of this year. Currently sales are at PSV 650k against 1.100k for PS4 this year. There´s nothing too shocking about it anymore since it´s happening in front of our eyes. About Switch, there just aren´t many informations about it besides, its concept, so it´s really hard to make strong predictions, besides the obvious thing that it will become the best selling system in 2017 in Japan, despite an atleast 2-3 months headstart nex year for its currently known competitors.



Viktor said:
Kresnik said:

Yeah, you are winding me up lol, I see it now.

Never mind!  I shall not rise to this bait!

 

No, I´m not. I just look at the actual situation and available data, the trends are quite obvious. I just chose not to simply ignore them. While you chose not to explain how the the notable decline in PSV hardware sales won´t affect PSVs software sales.

 

outlawauron said:

Really don't think you can say that remote play was very clunky considering how well it worked.

As far as PS4 comparison, I'd be shocked that a console would be able to outsell a handheld. That would be absolutely disasterious for Switch if it wasn't able to push past PS4.

PS4 is outselling PSV quite handily in 2016 hardware sales In Japan. PS4 looks like to be heading towards selling 2 times the ytd amount of PSV by the end of this year. Currently sales are at PSV 650k against 1.100k for PS4 this year. There´s nothing too shocking about it anymore since it´s happening in front of our eyes. About Switch, there just aren´t many informations about it besides, its concept, so it´s really hard to make strong predictions, besides the obvious thing that it will become the best selling system in 2017 in Japan, despite an atleast 2-3 months headstart nex year for its currently known competitors.

It looks to me that Nintendo is gearing up to (TRY) and revitalize the handheld market with the Switch. Is Sony looking at this and ignoring the fact that if Nintendo is successful and the handheld market sees a spike, they might lose out on a possible Vita refresh ?



Viktor said:

No, I´m not. I just look at the actual situation and available data, the trends are quite obvious. I just chose not to simply ignore them. While you chose not to explain how the the notable decline in PSV hardware sales won´t affect PSVs software sales.

Ugh, you've suckered me back in with your blue on the VGChartz Buddy reply.

Your grasp of the conversation we're having here seems to be slipping so much.  I never said Vita software sales aren't on decline; what I said was they're nowhere near the levels needed for support to start evaporating, which was the original part of your post I responded to.  The fact you can't acknowledge that and just keep spouting the same lines over and over gives me little reason to think you aren't just trolling.

... added to the fact that you said Atelier Rorona was a spinoff on 3DS despite the fact that it was a remake of the PS3/Vita game tweaked to run on the 3DS.



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SegataSanshiro said:
Look I will say it again. Vita did not originate the idea. NEC did with TurboExpress. SEGA was second with SEGA Nomad these were both Console/Handheld Hybrids and Nomad could hook up to the TV. Sony tried but it was clunky. Switch is the first time I have seen the idea done well. The tech is viable and will probably have a decent price. I LOVE my Vita so not hating on anything. Switch has yes killed Vita in Japan,no doubting that. Sony does nothing but kill it December 2017 or early 2018. Vita still has momentum in Japan and that will carry it a little longer.

Sony should be more worried about PS4 in Japan. Think about this. Switch will likely have Dragon Quest,Monster Hunter,Yokai Watch,Pokemon and Shin Megami Tensei series plus possibly Dynasty Warriors if Nobunga is already coming to it. Switch will likely dominate Japan with PS4 in a distant 2nd.

Wow I didn't know about the TurboExpress and that it was the first hybrid.  I always thought it was the Nomad.  I learn something new everyday, thanks!



V-r0cK said:
SegataSanshiro said:
Look I will say it again. Vita did not originate the idea. NEC did with TurboExpress. SEGA was second with SEGA Nomad these were both Console/Handheld Hybrids and Nomad could hook up to the TV. Sony tried but it was clunky. Switch is the first time I have seen the idea done well. The tech is viable and will probably have a decent price. I LOVE my Vita so not hating on anything. Switch has yes killed Vita in Japan,no doubting that. Sony does nothing but kill it December 2017 or early 2018. Vita still has momentum in Japan and that will carry it a little longer.

Sony should be more worried about PS4 in Japan. Think about this. Switch will likely have Dragon Quest,Monster Hunter,Yokai Watch,Pokemon and Shin Megami Tensei series plus possibly Dynasty Warriors if Nobunga is already coming to it. Switch will likely dominate Japan with PS4 in a distant 2nd.

Wow I didn't know about the TurboExpress and that it was the first hybrid.  I always thought it was the Nomad.  I learn something new everyday, thanks!

And it seems to be... false. Couldn't find anything remotely supporting this claim. TurboExpress had a TV Tuner, like the GameGear.



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Kresnik said:
Viktor said:

No, I´m not. I just look at the actual situation and available data, the trends are quite obvious. I just chose not to simply ignore them. While you chose not to explain how the the notable decline in PSV hardware sales won´t affect PSVs software sales.

Ugh, you've suckered me back in with your blue on the VGChartz Buddy reply.

Your grasp of the conversation we're having here seems to be slipping so much.  I never said Vita software sales aren't on decline; what I said was they're nowhere near the levels needed for support to start evaporating, which was the original part of your post I responded to.  The fact you can't acknowledge that and just keep spouting the same lines over and over gives me little reason to think you aren't just trolling.

... added to the fact that you said Atelier Rorona was a spinoff on 3DS despite the fact that it was a remake of the PS3/Vita game tweaked to run on the 3DS.

Problem is the general software sales environment wasn´t really good to begin with very few exceptions and it saw steep decline even from just earlier this year to now from that already niche level of sales performance, the most apparent example we will see, will be tomorrow with the bad performance of WoFF. That almost all Japanese PSV games in the past 1-2 years also became multplats including PS4/PS3, isn´t just because of Sonys push, but the obvious fact that PSV software sales are too low on their own and just not profitable enough for the majority of releases, professional businessmen saw the painting on the wall and acted accordingly.

The Atelier argument is weak, like I said in the first reply, besides parts of the scenario/story the games are very different in design/aestetics and gameplay, therefore anyone unbiased would admit that these games aim different demographics. The argument gets even weaker if you consider that the next Atelier game on PSV, that actually is a completely new mainline entry and not a port/remake, is predicted by YSO to perform badly with <25k units first week on PSV. Sales are already almost at rock bottom.



Well, it looks more like a PS Vita than a 3DS:
- Single, big, multitouch screen with higher resolution.
- Two analog sticks.
- Console-like experience on the go, with direct ports from home consoles
- Games with better graphics than high-end mobile phones (come on, Killzone on Vita still is the best looking mobile shooter, 3DS is already way behind top mobile games).

From these factors, I would say that the two sticks were probably the biggest reason that I went with Vita instead of 3DS. Twin sticks is a basic features since the PS2-era, you can't do a proper shooter or 3D action game without it (no, using the stylus to awkwardly try to move your camera doesn't count. It's almost a "hack").

Switch looks amazing with that big screen and full console controls. 4 shoulder buttons, baby!! It looks freaking amazing for me, I'm 100% buying one. Not day one because I hate to buy stuff day 1 (fear of technical issues). I bought my PS4 only 5 months after launch, but only because there was a crazy offer, basically half the official price in Brazil.



Viktor said:

Problem is the general software sales environment wasn´t really good to begin with very few exceptions and it saw steep decline even from just earlier this year to now from that already niche level of sales performance, the most apparent example we will see, will be tomorrow with the bad performance of WoFF. That almost all Japanese PSV games in the past 1-2 years also became multplats including PS4/PS3, isn´t just because of Sonys push, but the obvious fact that PSV software sales are too low on their own and just not profitable enough for the majority of releases, professional businessmen saw the painting on the wall and acted accordingly.

The Atelier argument is weak, like I said in the first reply, besides parts of the scenario/story the games are very different in design/aestetics and gameplay, therefore anyone unbiased would admit that these games aim different demographics. The argument gets even weaker if you consider that the next Atelier game on PSV, that actually is a completely new mainline entry and not a port/remake, is predicted by YSO to perform badly with <25k units first week on PSV. Sales are already almost at rock bottom.

Let's just agree to disagree.  I genuinely can't agree with anything you've said so far, lol.