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Start of gen 8

Yes 74 24.58%
 
No 112 37.21%
 
Gens are now dead 115 38.21%
 
Total:301

I would hesitate to say yes, so I voted no.

I don't think generations are dead, but with PS4Pro coming next month and Scorpio next year, Switch clearly won't be competing with a truly new generation of hardware for a long time.

With Dreamcast, you had a system announced and launched just a few years before PS2, and had it survived it would have competed with Gamecube and Xbox for several years as well. There was a clear break between Saturn and Dreamcast as well. Until the seventh generation, it wasn't uncommon for the fist console in a new generation to launch several years before other more mainstream efforts. TurboGrafx 16 launch a year ahead of the Genesis and two years ahead of the Megadrive. The first 32 bit consoles were released a year and a half ahead of Saturn and PS1, and several years ahead of N64. Etc.

But Switch will be competing with an upgraded Xbox One and PS4, and will probably be doing so for most of the standard 5-6 year lifespan consoles tend to enjoy. I would, if anything, called it an 8.5 generation console, same as PS4Pro and Scorpio. Although for all we know, generations may truly be dead now.



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Platina said:
Nogamez said:

Yeah I meant 9th gen lol

Why not fix the title then?

I addressed this problem in my OP. VGC won't let me for some reason otherwise I would of edited it



Hiku said:

I'd say it's a more proper re-entry into gen 8, in the sense that all developers will still primarily develop for Gen 8, and the multiplat games Switch gets will be Gen 8.

But Nintendo are pretty much in their own generation at this point. So it's Nintendo's 7th generation, in the collective 8th generation.

I mean, they all are in their own generation. PS4 is Sony's fourth generation console, while Xbox one is Microsoft's 3rd gen console. That's not really something that only sprouted about because of the Switch.



why is this important at all?



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I can.

You barely notice a "upgrade" anymore when going gen to gen.

What can the Switch do, graphically that couldnt be done in the 8th gen?

Is there something that sets it apart? or is it just a meaningless number we use to to count how many systems have been made?

In all aspects basically the Switch will be weaker/less able to do graphics, than the XB1 & PS4.

That doesnt say "new gen" to me.

Its just a meaningless number.

 

spemanig said:

You misunderstand. I agree, and have been saying so for years. I just can't believe we're out a point now where that's the leading consensus.



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Goodnightmoon said:
why is this important at all?

 The same reason all categorizations are important; they help us have a shorthand when talking about things. If there is no consensus on that short hand, it creates an issue of affective communication.

If I say that, for example, that I hate Japanese games because they all have boring combat, you might be confused because of how varied combat can be in many different Japanese games and how "boring" the combat in some western games can be compared to Japanese games. If I then clarified that I don't like turn-based games, even if you don't agree, we at least have an agreed upon understanding for what I'm saying, what I'm including, and when I'm excluding.

This discussion of generations is important because we're stumbling upon a situation where some videogame consoles fit under a categorization where others eventually never will. It makes talking about game and timing in the same way difficult, if not impossible.



I'd say NS is in the same generation as Ps4 Pro and XboxOne S, probably 8.5

I view NS as an equivalent, since making a WiiU upgrade wouldn't make much difference and they are released during the same time span, more or less

could be gen 9 if the improvement is more noticeable than say, 3DS to new3DS or DS to DSi



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It depends. Is Switch really Nintendo's next generation of hardware? To be honest, it looks like an upgraded Wii-U, i.e. the same difference there is between PS4 and PS4 Pro.



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Hiku said:

Well their position relative to the collective generation has some relevance, because it's one of several factors that affect how games are developed.
Technology in a specific gaming ecosystem generally moves forward, and people have put a label on a range of specs as "generations" that generally reflects the average game performance you could expect during that era.

Those things aren't written in stone before the generation has began, but can be changed based on a number of other factors. For example, an extremely popular but underpowered console can lower the bar for the minimum expected specs of a certain generation.
This in turn can have a negative impact (from the perspective of the other consoles) on multiplatform titles that would otherwise look and run better, had the underpowered console not affected the equation.
That's just one example, but there's certainly an expected correlation between different systems that can affect other systems part of what's commonly labeled as console generations.
If Amazon released a new console today that has the same horsepower as a SNES, even if it can run Undertale, which is a new game, people would rightfully not label it a generation 8 or 9 system. And it would have little to no effect on current gen titles.

The market adapts to a balance between horsepower and other factors such as popularity/profitability.
And I agree that this disambiguation in the console generations didn't start now, but of course people are curious about how new consoles will affect their gaming experience.

P.S. I could have probably summed that up in one or two sentences somehow...I don't have much to

I don't have much to add LOL I agree with most of what you're saying. Very well put.



dark_gh0st_b0y said:
I'd say NS is in the same generation as Ps4 Pro and XboxOne S, probably 8.5

I view NS as an equivalent, since making a WiiU upgrade wouldn't make much difference and they are released during the same time span, more or less

could be gen 9 if the improvement is more noticeable than say, 3DS to new3DS or DS to DSi

PS4 and Pro, X1 and Scorpio will run the same game between then, NS and WiiU won't so they have a generation separation while the others don't.

You buy a single PS4 or X1 game and run on both systems and the system will show the image that they can, so there aren't a proper generation difference so you can say they are 8.5 (same as DS to DSi and 3DS to N3DS) but on WiiU to NS you are going from 8th to 9th (or on nintendo mind going from their 6th to 7th generation)



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