Well, duh. That's a pretty pathetic power increase if it were designed to be a new generation.

Not really, what helped it was not having a $600 pricetag.

2020 should hopefully be possible for an SSD based system. Load times are the biggest bottleneck now. Streaming 4K textures from a 5400 rpm drive is just not going to cut it.

Perhaps PS5 can still support PSVR next to offering a higher res PSVR2 with better tracking. Downscaling to PSVR shouldn't be an issue I would think. If Sony keeps the port the same so you can hook up the old camera then all the better. Of course some PSVR2 games themselves might not be compatible with the old move controllers. It will be a difficult transition indeed.

I would by a ps5+psvr2 bundle for 799 in a heart beat, yet that's most likely too high a sticker price for most. In the early days of PC it was quite normal to get a new monitor with a new PC. VR is in those early stages atm. Consoles never had that phase, I'm curious to see how this is going to play out.

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Yeah, it just depends on how fast SSD prices drop. I think a 2TB drive will have to be the standard on a console by 2020, and that is still well over $500 by itself.

On VR any way you cut it, the transition won't be easy, but I do like your idea about a PS5 + PSVR2 bundle day one. That is definitly something they will have to consider. It all comes down to how much value people end up seeing in VR by that point. 

I think at the end of the day, people are going to have to throw out their expectation of what a new console generation is. We won't be seeing PS1 to PS2 levels of hardware improvement, and that will really hurt because even if we went PS1 to PS3 powerwise between PS4 & PS5 the difference would not be as big due to diminishing returns.

You ignore there is still a lot of new content that works well on old specs. Every month we see lots of indie content on X1 and PS4 that could work fine on PS360, inspite of those consoles being 10 years or older. But supporting those platforms isn't worthwhile because they're completely different hardware. If MS keeps making upgrades to the X1, the OG X1 could potentailly be supported for a long time just because its easy for low end games.

On paper PS4 is significantly more powerful, in practice the disparity isn't very big. Gears 4 and Forza Horizon 3 look amazing even compared to the best PS4 has to offer. While ports aren't significantly different either, sometimes they're equal and other times X1 runs a lower resolution. Developers have already said PS4 has more overhead, but its not as big as people think.

Well, I'd certainly hope they would still believe in console generations, as going the moderate upgrade every few years like smartphones would kinda suck, and a route I'd hope consoles would not got. And I thought it would be clear that the name 'PS4 Pro' would indicate it's not the start of a new generation.

I kinda like Cerny's definition of a new console generation, as it doesn't talk about the Playstation brand only, but consoles in general, as how each Ninten, Sony and MS innovated the industry in their own ways. It's something I can somewhat agree with.

People seem really opposed to free online services for some reason.

VR is where the huge gains are going to be. Going from a 1080p to a 4K headset will be as big a step as from ps2 to ps4. Especially if foveated rendering becomes a success before then. PSVR2 can't be an incremental upgrade, it must be like going from SD to HD tv to get people to pay that much again. No 2560x1440 stop gap.

I really hope that 11K 5" screen from Samsung pulls through before PSVR2, so it can be future proof a bit. Of course who knows how that is going with the setbacks Samsung is currently facing.

Sony still believing in generations is good news to me, seems they have big plans for the ps5.

That is the reason I think a PSVR Pro and a PS4 Pro 2 should come ahead of PS5. I think a Pro 2 in 2019 or 2020 would be perfect for those that want to upgrade to a half step, and stay near the same level as Rift and Vive. 

I think PS5 and PSVR 2 in 2023 - 2024 would offer the boost in tech that can deliver both input and display increases that warrent a hole new generation. At that point 8K games would be possible as well. I really want PS5 to be a 40TFLOP, 128GB HBM RAM, 10TB SSD console that is worthy of the next gen banner. It all depends on Sony ( obviously ), and whether they want to do 6 year life cycles on the OS with a base and a premium, or if they want to stick with an OS for ~10 years with major generational jumps like we have seen before.