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spurgeonryan said:
I do not know what is up with the picture, I tried erasing it, sorry, just ignore it or go to the link to see the graph.

Ignore that wall of code.... I tried, I can't, it's just so broken lol.



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this is what plenty of people called happening. Democrats wouldn't take it and this is completely on them as they passed it without a single republican vote. Obama's legacy will be this failed bill and the enabling of ISIS to form and spread



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Robert_Downey_Jr. said:
this is what plenty of people called happening. Democrats wouldn't take it and this is completely on them as they passed it without a single republican vote. Obama's legacy will be this failed bill and the enabling of ISIS to form and spread

No, it's on all of them.  Republicans had their chances to fix things and they did not.  Screw the partisan bullshit, both parties need to be raked over the coals for their failure to fix our terrible health care system. 



I don't quite understand how the american system works but on face value (possibly hopelessly wrong) it seems like obamacare is some sort of subsidised health insurance that still makes heavy use of expensive private health care with incredibly inflated prices which would dictate high insurance costs that need to be subsidised to be more reasonable.

Surely a different approach is needed where health care is more reasonably priced. I don't know how the police, education and other services are run but assume they are government owned and run in some instances.

Perhaps somewhere in the US publicly owned health care should be tested and perfected before rolling out nation wide even if that process takes 20 years at least future americans even poor ones will have access to good health care.

I have to say I find it offensive that children don't have access to free health care. I can understand more telling adults that they have to organise their own health care but not children. Maybe that is where public healthcare should start. Assuming there isn't free health care for children already, I've not done the research.



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pokoko said:
Robert_Downey_Jr. said:
this is what plenty of people called happening. Democrats wouldn't take it and this is completely on them as they passed it without a single republican vote. Obama's legacy will be this failed bill and the enabling of ISIS to form and spread

No, it's on all of them.  Republicans had their chances to fix things and they did not.  Screw the partisan bullshit, both parties need to be raked over the coals for their failure to fix our terrible health care system. 

My understanding of the situation is that certain factions within the Dems (uncluding the current Presidential candidate) have always wanted Obamacare to fail.

It's too involved with the private sector for them and they want to replace it with totally publically funded healthcare. A good thing if your country can afford it and has no debt. The USA can't though.



bonzobanana said:
I don't quite understand how the american system works but on face value (possibly hopelessly wrong) it seems like obamacare is some sort of subsidised health insurance that still makes heavy use of expensive private health care with incredibly inflated prices which would dictate high insurance costs that need to be subsidised to be more reasonable.

Surely a different approach is needed where health care is more reasonably priced. I don't know how the police, education and other services are run but assume they are government owned and run in some instances.

Perhaps somewhere in the US publicly owned health care should be tested and perfected before rolling out nation wide even if that process takes 20 years at least future americans even poor ones will have access to good health care.

I have to say I find it offensive that children don't have access to free health care. I can understand more telling adults that they have to organise their own health care but not children. Maybe that is where public healthcare should start. Assuming there isn't free health care for children already, I've not done the research.

The first problem is that neither side wants the other side to win.  Their first allegence is to their party, not the country.  Each side would rather the other side fail, even if it means everyone suffers.

The second is that years of propaganda have made "socialism" a curse word, despite the fact that many such functions are already an accepted part of our government.  Republicans won't go near it for fear of their constituents freaking out and even many Democrats shy away.

Therefore anything that passes has to be a half-ass compromise that doesn't piss off powerful lobyists too much.

So, basically, it's pretty much hopeless.



the-pi-guy said:

http://fortune.com/2016/06/21/us-health-care-costs/

Healthcare is always sky rocketing.  

I see these these graphs but it doesn't explain why some people are suddenly paying significantly more for health care. I saw my premium become double of the  year before. These graphs don't show people that get hit that hard.

People are also being forced to pay in to health care or get hit a massive penalty at the end of the year. People think dems just wanna tax wealthy people, but this will obviously impact people middle class and lower.

If you make just enough to get by but not enough to pay for expensive heath care, than the penalty is going to be a huge blow. At that rate it makes sense to work less and get free health care. Thus forcing more people to rely on government assistance.



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pokoko said:

No, it's on all of them.  Republicans had their chances to fix things and they did not.  Screw the partisan bullshit, both parties need to be raked over the coals for their failure to fix our terrible health care system. 

My understanding of the situation is that certain factions within the Dems (uncluding the current Presidential candidate) have always wanted Obamacare to fail.

It's too involved with the private sector for them and they want to replace it with totally publically funded healthcare. A good thing if your country can afford it and has no debt. The USA can't though.

From a social-democrat, progressive perspective Obamacare is shit as it is nothing remotely like what a proper publich health system (like NHS in the UK) is meant to be. This is why Bill Clinton said Obamacare is crap. The problem is wiithout progressive democrates controlling the House and Senate and presidency the USA won't legislate for anything more progressive.

The only upside is that Obamacare guarantees health insurance for everyone who wants it as no one can be refused cover. The problem is insurance companies apply actuarial tables to those plans which people who would be otherwise refused insurance are forced to buy, and as high risk patients their premiums are naturally high. 

If you are going to run a health insurance based system, then it is wrong to force health insurance on the otherwise uninsurable. If people apply for insurance and get turned down from the insurance free-market, or they are too poor to afford health insurance then they should be covered by medicaid. People who are insurable and in principle can afford insurance but elect not to have insurance should be left to their own devices.



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The major issue with Obamacare was that it required millions of young americans to sign up to keep the plan sustainable but instead it was millions of people are generally not in the best of health who signed up.

A lot of the younger people think they are invincible and do not need coverage or cannot afford it.


As a result without large reforms the long term future of Obamacare is doomed.


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