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Lawlight said:

I think you don't know what a trend is. A trend is a general direction - go check the definition. It is by no means a strict pattern.

Let me give you some trends:

- Handheld gaming is declining.

- Nintendo consoles are losing their importance in the market.

- PS winning a generation.

The Switch will be successful but it won't be more successful that the 3DS and will further demonstrate that handheld gaming is declining.

...What exactly are you arguing? He's saying that the Switch can be an outlier to that general direction because a trend is not a strict pattern, and you're also saying that a trend isn't a strict pattern, therefore implying that there can be outliers, before saying that the Switch will absolutely not be more successful than the 3DS because the general direction of handhelds, which both you and him agree is not a strict pattern and can have outliers because that's how trends do, is strictly declining. And also Nintendo consoles losing their importance in the market and PS winning a generations are trends as well, which aren't strict patterns and can totally have outliers as long as they aren't the Switch because it is uniquely beholdent to those not at all strict patterns. Also, what's stopping the Switch from reversing those trends or starting new ones entirely?

God bless you Lawlight, really, but that makes no sense lol.



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spemanig said:
Lawlight said:

I think you don't know what a trend is. A trend is a general direction - go check the definition. It is by no means a strict pattern.

Let me give you some trends:

- Handheld gaming is declining.

- Nintendo consoles are losing their importance in the market.

- PS winning a generation.

The Switch will be successful but it won't be more successful that the 3DS and will further demonstrate that handheld gaming is declining.

...What exactly are you arguing? He's saying that the Switch can be an outlier to that general direction because a trend is not a strict pattern, and you're also saying that a trend isn't a strict pattern, therefore implying that there can be outliers, before saying that the Switch will absolutely not be more successful than the 3DS because the general direction of handhelds, which both you and him agree is not a strict pattern and can have outliers because that's how trends do, is strictly declining. And also Nintendo consoles losing their importance in the market and PS winning a generations are trends as well, which aren't strict patterns and can totally have outliers as long as they aren't the Switch because it is uniquely beholdent to those not at all strict patterns. Also, what's stopping the Switch from reversing those trends or starting new ones entirely?

God bless you Lawlight, really, but that makes no sense lol.

lol thanks buddy, i was going to respond but your post about sums it up



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I think to accomplish such a big number of titles they would need to re-use a lot of assets and, to be quiet honest, I could see Nintendo doing that with the engines for games like Breath of the Wild, Colour Splash, AC: Amiibo Festival etc.



spemanig said:
kitler53 said:

not that much.  how many games are on wiiU that someone like emily would actually count?  third parties wouldn't be included so it is just nintendo's output.  then i'm sure the bad nintendo games would also be ignored.  really the list to emily is probably about as big as:

smash
mk
mario 2D
mario 3D land
splatoon
bayonetta
toad
mario maker
yoshi wolly
donkey kong

i bolded the likely ports.  we know there is a 3D mario coming.  look,.. we're almost there already.

Exclusives. She was very specific in the games she was talking about. What she was talking about amounts to like 38 games. You can't make up your own rubric for her. Her list count is quadruple what you just listed. She didn't say "the same as all the Wii U games that I like personally," she said the Switch's exclusive software output in 1 year would surpass what the Wii U did in 4. She counts 3rd party exclusives, second party collaborations, "smaller" titles, enhanced ports, and bigger original games. For Wii U, that's about 38 games. You bolded 4 only of them.

Nintendo isn't porting 38 Wii U games to the Switch in 1 year. Nintendo isn't even porting 19 of the "best" games, as in half of that number, to the Switch in 1 year and then making 19 original Switch games to fill in the rest. I don't think I need to go further with this example lol what she's claiming is absurd. It's like 3 exclusive releases a month for 10 months and 4 for the remaining two.

You are exaggerating a lot. Like an astronomical amount.

well fuck,.. you're excluding all those exclusive indie titles now...

 

..seriously,.. any reasonable person knows to take peoples statements in context. she is a person not a computer and when she says exclusive she means exclusives she can think about not exclusives according to some list on wikipedia that more than half the shit on the list she has never heard of. 



kitler53 said:
spemanig said:

Exclusives. She was very specific in the games she was talking about. What she was talking about amounts to like 38 games. You can't make up your own rubric for her. Her list count is quadruple what you just listed. She didn't say "the same as all the Wii U games that I like personally," she said the Switch's exclusive software output in 1 year would surpass what the Wii U did in 4. She counts 3rd party exclusives, second party collaborations, "smaller" titles, enhanced ports, and bigger original games. For Wii U, that's about 38 games. You bolded 4 only of them.

Nintendo isn't porting 38 Wii U games to the Switch in 1 year. Nintendo isn't even porting 19 of the "best" games, as in half of that number, to the Switch in 1 year and then making 19 original Switch games to fill in the rest. I don't think I need to go further with this example lol what she's claiming is absurd. It's like 3 exclusive releases a month for 10 months and 4 for the remaining two.

You are exaggerating a lot. Like an astronomical amount.

well fuck,.. you're excluding all those exclusive indie titles now...

 

..seriously,.. any reasonable person knows to take peoples statements in context. she is a person not a computer and when she says exclusive she means exclusives she can think about not exclusives according to some list on wikipedia that more than half the shit on the list she has never heard of. 

No, she does mean exactly that. She has literally explicite gone through what she means, and listed multible examples big and small. She literally listed every single third party exclusive that has ever come to the Wii U as a part of her example.

Hyrule Warriors – Developed by Koei Tecmo, Omega Force, Team Ninja (Not Nintendo)

Pokken Tournament – Developed by Bandai Namco Studios (Not Nintendo)

Lego City Undercover – Developed by TT Games (Not Nintendo)

The Wonderful 101 – Developed by Platinum Games  (Not Nintendo)

Bayonetta 2 – Developed by Platinum Games  (Not Nintendo)

Tokyo Mirage Sessions ♯FE – Developed by Atlus (Not Nintendo)

The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess HD – Developed by Tantalus (Not Nintendo)

Fatal Frame: Maiden of Black Water – Developed by Koei Tecmo (Nintendo)

Devil’s Third – Developed by Valhalla Game Studios  (Not Nintendo)

Sing Party – Developed by FreeStyle Games (Not Nintendo)

Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor’s Edge – Developed by Koei Tecmo (Not Nintendo)

Mario & Sonic at the Sochi 2014 Winter Olympics – Developed by Sega Sports R&D  (Not Nintendo)

Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games – Developed by Sega Sports R&D (Not Nintendo)

Sonic Lost World – Developed by Sega (Not Nintendo)

Sonic Boom – Developed by Sega (Not Nintendo) — Nintendo partially funded this

Zombi U – Developed by Ubisoft (Not Nintendo)  — originally a Wii U exclusive

Rayman Legends – Developed by Ubisoft (Not Nintendo)

Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate – Developed by Capcom (Not Nintendo)

Lost Reavers – Developed by Bandai Namco Studios (Not Nintendo)

That is her list, not mine. I copy-pasted that from a blog she posted detailing how Nintendo were going to push out so much software. That's 19 games, and I wasn't even counting most of those in my 38 number. She was, as per her blog post. When she says exclusive titles, she means exclusive titles. And by this list, she doesn't even mean only exclusives. The provided the context. He isn't being vague about this. Those are just a few of the exclusives she can think of, as per her words.



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zorg1000 said:

lol thanks buddy, i was going to respond but your post about sums it up

No problem, dude lol.



Lawlight said:
zorg1000 said:

I gave you a whole list of "outliers" yet you decide to focus on just one.

You cant just disregard anything that doesnt support your argument.

Sega Genesis was an outlier, no other Sega device has sold over 15 million.

Gameboy was an outlier, no other device has ever had its best sales year a decade after launch.

Wii was an outlier, all Nintendo consoles had sold less than their predeccessor up to that point.

360 was an outlier, no American made console had ever sold over 40 million.

PSP was an outlier, no other non-Nintendo portable gaming device had ever been successful.

PS3 was an outlier, both previous PS consoles had over 70% marketshare.

At some point you have to realize, these arent "outliers" and that the gaming industry doesnt simply follow trends.

Let me guess, if Switch is successful than it will be an outlier as well?

I think you don't know what a trend is. A trend is a general direction - go check the definition. It is by no means a strict pattern.

Let me give you some trends:

- Handheld gaming is declining.

- Nintendo consoles are losing their importance in the market.

- PS winning a generation.

The Switch will be successful but it won't be more successful that the 3DS and will further demonstrate that handheld gaming is declining.

PS4 winning a generation isn't a trend, as it is just a single point, and a trend requires multiple points. The Switch is also different than a traditional handheld or a traditional gaming console.

As well, from what we've observed, trends don't tend to apply very well in her videogaming market as far as brands go, as last generation Sony was last place for most of it, and only picked up at the very end. What you can say is that the traditional gaming home and handheld console markets are declining after peaking about 7 years ago. That's largely because of the change in culture. The switch is moving toward the right direction, bringing something in he form of a major videogame console that appeals to the smart device market. Something that has never been done.



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I have a feeling that for the first 6 months or so, the Switch's lineup will consist of some new games, a lot of third party re-releases and some special editions of older games. After that, who knows. If Japanese developers are excited about the Switch's handheld aspects, expect there to be a ton of exclusive support from Japan just like what the 3DS had.



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zorg1000 said:
DanneSandin said:
1 console means less revenue from HW - and this system will not outsell the 3DS even

3DS & Wii U were both sold at a loss at certain points of their lives, if Switch is sold at a profit from day 1 than it can potentially be more profitable than 3DS/Wii U were even if it sells less.

Also we have no idea how well Switch will sell, for all we know it could become a massive hit, there is literally nothing to base sales on at this point.

I'm basing it on a declining console market over all; it's not only handhelds that are selling less and less, that's also the case for the home consoles. Is it stands right now, I can see the Switch sell somewhere around 30-50m (40m is probably more accurate), but I'm just throwing it out there as a hunch. All I can say is that consoles are in a decline, and this will affect the Switch.

I agree that the profit from Switch might very well out perform the Wii U and 3DS combined; you will have more games for just the one console, and that probably means a higher attach rate as well.



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