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Game_God said:
wombat123 said:

No prob.  You're probably just like me and venting your frustration over what the NS turned out to be.  If it ends up selling great then that's awesome but it looks like a rough road to travel.  It's like NIntendo is so desperate to get kids and casuals back that they're willing to compete directly against companies like Apple and Samsung in the tablet market -- both of which are a hell of a lot more intimidating than Microsoft and Sony.

I've updated my answer & corrected the typos, please do read it :)  http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8113149

I agree with you, I'm venting & I'm very disapointed, Nintendo trying to fool me into believing that this is a home console really is a step too much. Again I recognize a handheld console when I see one, granted it has the TV output & some home console-like features like the local 2 player multiplayer, but it's a handheld with TV output & regular controller pairing option or a tablet with controllers attached & half-decade regular tablet features that are the tv output & controller pairing, nothing more!!!

Well... it also have 4 coop local... but yes it seems more like a HH with some console tricks



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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DonFerrari said:
Game_God said:

I've updated my answer & corrected the typos, please do read it :)  http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8113149

I agree with you, I'm venting & I'm very disapointed, Nintendo trying to fool me into believing that this is a home console really is a step too much. Again I recognize a handheld console when I see one, granted it has the TV output & some home console-like features like the local 2 player multiplayer, but it's a handheld with TV output & regular controller pairing option or a tablet with controllers attached & half-decade regular tablet features that are the tv output & controller pairing, nothing more!!!

Well... it also have 4 coop local... but yes it seems more like a HH with some console tricks

I was talking local co-op on 1 console, so far we've only seen the MarioKart bit with 2 players playing on the same screen, I hope you can pair 4 controllers for 4 players when docked & playing on TV! 4 players co-op on this tiny screen would be ridiculous... I know it has local 4 player co-op, but with 2 consoles at least when sharing the joy-cons & 4 consoles, each player with its own in the Splatoon bit of the video.

Thx anyway for helping me sorting this out ;)



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Game_God said:
DonFerrari said:

Well... it also have 4 coop local... but yes it seems more like a HH with some console tricks

I was talking local co-op on 1 console, so far we've only seen the MarioKart bit with 2 players playing on the same screen, I hope you can pair 4 controllers for 4 players when docked & playing on TV! 4 players co-op on this tiny screen would be ridiculous... I know it has local 4 player co-op, but with 2 consoles at least when sharing the joy-cons & 4 consoles, each player with its own in the Splatoon bit of the video.

Thx anyway for helping me sorting this out ;)

I see little reason to not have 4p coop on single console and a lot more than it on LAN connection or wifi private going by what we had on DS and the trailer.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

onionberry said:
Sh1nn said:

 he's a game developer not a random guy.

I know that people accuse Nintendo because of their lack of common sense, but do you really think that they are going to waste all the development money and the nvidia partnership to release a product that runs games worse than the wii u? I'll wait for the official details.

I woudl say you could bet your ass on it, but we already knows how that goes :P

In all honestly nothing Nintendo could do would surprise me any more. It wouldn't shock me at all if this was less powerful than the Wii U.



Soundwave said:
Well Nvidia was supposedly working on a new Shield (gaming?) tablet with the Tegra X1 in it. That never got released, I wonder if NS is the reason why.

I like how people are not noticing that Switch is a fat piggy...14-15mm, if people are correct extrapolating from that video, with what seems like active cooling. For comparison, iPad Pro is 7mm.

If X1 on 20nm had problem running at 1GHz in slim tablet (since it consumes 20W), I bet its 14nm successor in something as fat as Switch (with active cooling) might have a lot less problems...especially after that 3h battery rumour.



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HoloDust said:
Soundwave said:
Well Nvidia was supposedly working on a new Shield (gaming?) tablet with the Tegra X1 in it. That never got released, I wonder if NS is the reason why.

I like how people are not noticing that Switch is a fat piggy...14-15mm, if people are correct extrapolating from that video, with what seems like active cooling. For comparison, iPad Pro is 7mm.

If X1 on 20nm had problem running at 1GHz in slim tablet (since it consumes 20W), I bet its 14nm successor in something as fat as Switch (with active cooling) might have a lot less problems...especially after that 3h battery rumour.

I'm fine with the thickness, a game handheld needs to have some thickness to it otherwise it's not comfortable to hold. An iPad is too thin, iPads are razor thin.

Vita (first gen) to me is perfect thickness, that felt great in my hands and thats about 14-15 mm. So I'm fine with that. 

To be honest, and I'm very picky about this, I had no qualms with the looks of the NS at all. It looks like a very slick piece of kit, the shot in the airport with the blonde girl meeting the guy showed the thickness of the unit quite well and I thought that was fine. It looks good, a big change from the awkward, bulky Wii U tablet design. 



I think it is already bad, that these specs MIGHT be true.
Nintendo lost its way so bad, that you can actually see them coming up with an underpowered console like this one.

PS4 Pro would outperform it like 5:1 and don't get me started with the Scorpio.
People were afraid that their original PS4s and Xbox Ones won't see much support after the upgrades are released. Then comes Nintendo with an even less powerful system that seems to be only built around one single gimmick.

Big N... Just tell me what happened to you.



Imagine not having GamePass on your console...

DirtyP2002 said:
I think it is already bad, that these specs MIGHT be true.
Nintendo lost its way so bad, that you can actually see them coming up with an underpowered console like this one.

PS4 Pro would outperform it like 5:1 and don't get me started with the Scorpio.
People were afraid that their original PS4s and Xbox Ones won't see much support after the upgrades are released. Then comes Nintendo with an even less powerful system that seems to be only built around one single gimmick.

Big N... Just tell me what happened to you.

Iwata's vision.  Or more specifically, the Wii.  The Wii was basically lightning.  Nintendo came out with the Wii, and it's motion controls, at the exact right time and for the right price.  Smartphones were just starting to take off a year after the Wii's launch, so mobile gaming was NOWHERE near as large as it is now, so there were still plenty of casuals in the console market.  The Wii was also able to appeal to new casual gamers, as well, with its controls and cheap price. 

Iwata saw that success and basically thought they could make lightning strike twice, and now a third time.  The problem is, mobile gaming is freaking HUGE.  Casuals aren't interested in a console that incorporates tablet controls that costs $299+ and isn't an iPad.  And core gamers aren't interested in an underpowered piece of HW with a controller gimmick, especially when it's selling for the same price as the much more powerful last gen systems, and will only be ~$100 cheaper than their even more powerful upgrades.  That's why I think for the NS to succeed, the price must be at max $249, but $199 would be ideal.



Soundwave said:
HoloDust said:

I like how people are not noticing that Switch is a fat piggy...14-15mm, if people are correct extrapolating from that video, with what seems like active cooling. For comparison, iPad Pro is 7mm.

If X1 on 20nm had problem running at 1GHz in slim tablet (since it consumes 20W), I bet its 14nm successor in something as fat as Switch (with active cooling) might have a lot less problems...especially after that 3h battery rumour.

I'm fine with the thickness, a game handheld needs to have some thickness to it otherwise it's not comfortable to hold. An iPad is too thin, iPads are razor thin.

Vita (first gen) to me is perfect thickness, that felt great in my hands and thats about 14-15 mm. So I'm fine with that. 

To be honest, and I'm very picky about this, I had no qualms with the looks of the NS at all. It looks like a very slick piece of kit, the shot in the airport with the blonde girl meeting the guy showed the thickness of the unit quite well and I thought that was fine. It looks good, a big change from the awkward, bulky Wii U tablet design. 

Oh, I'm not saying there's a problem with thickness of NS, quite the opposite in fact. I'm just commenting that (most) folks don't realize that it's pretty fat with what seems as active cooling and call it "just a tablet".

Now, this is "just a tablet":

Pixel C, 7mm thick, with Tegra X1 inside with peak clock of 850MHz (as opposed to Shield TV box which is clocked at 1GHz)...so that's 435GFLOPS of nVidia goodness in "just a tablet".

So, if Nintendo really wanted to go all out, with X1 successor on 14nm and NS being as thick as it is, they could've really crammed something really powerful inside...and maybe, just maybe, they have.



All I can say is it better be cheap as fuck.

And the thing is, being good enough to be a 3DS replacement isn't good enough,
they in fact don't want to retire 3DS yet because it is still selling fine and making them money,
it is the Wii U that they are immediately cutting off it's game supply, and need a replacement for.

But to be fair, while not ideal 3rd party x-platform port material, I think it can enhance Nintendo-style games...
Enough that how you would imagine a Nintendo game on a PS4 is within the realm of what this could do.
The memory compression tricks of Pascal should make better use of 4GB, and simpler assets should be OK.
I'm somewhat thinking the 25 GB/s memory bandwidth to not be including an ESRAM system as well,
and the "dubious" leak idea that the base unit has some extra RAM is interesting and suggestive of 1080p target there.

All I can say is it better be cheap as fuck.