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Forums - Nintendo Discussion - Is Switch The Least Inspired "Generational Leap" By Nintendo?

wombat123 said:
Soundwave said:

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm planning to buy one, hell I basically predicted this form factor over a year ago here and even was talking about Tegra for months. 

But still ... I can't help but feel like ... "that's it?". This is what was kept under secret and a "new concept" that was totally different from the Wii U (lol)? It has Mario and Splatoon and yeah that's cool, but this is basically just an amagalm of stuff Nintendo was already doing. 

The Super NES was a huge leap over the NES. The N64 likewise over SNES. Then GameCube over N64. Even Wii, while it was basically a rehashed GCN tech wise, the controller was earth shatteringly different for its time. Wii U was a full generation upgrade over the Wii with a new controller. 

Switch basically just seems like the Wii U "Take 2" ... this time done how Nintendo wanted to do it in the first place (with the chipset inside the tablet rather than requireing a seperate "console" for it, remember Nintendo even joking that they were trying to "minimize" the console as much as possible at that time?). 

There's nothing really new here. There isn't really much of a graphical leap from what I can tell either, Mario Switch looks marginally better than a Wii U game I guess, Splatoon and Mario Kart looked basically identical, Zelda looks identical, the Bethesda game is a port of a 5 year old game, NBA 2K looks like the PS3/360 version. It looks like they're going to take a lot of port dumps from the Wii U and try to sell those games all over again. 

Yeah, what Nintendo showed us was essentially everything I was hoping it wouldn't be.  It's like they just doubled down on the Wii U gamepad even though its biggest negatives was that its gimmick was too expensive and didn't add anything worthwhile.  All I wanted was a somewhat powerful Nintendo console with a cheap gimmick -- hell, I'd have been happy if they just made a Wii-HD and just doubled down on the wiimote.  Instead I get a tablet device that tries to do too much and doesn't have a defined audience outside of Nintendo fans -- just like the Wii U.

Yeah remember all the bruhaha over the Wii U tablet screen being such an unneccessary cost? Well now if you don't plan on using this as a portable, it's basically a wasted LCD display just sitting in the "toaster dock" doing absolutely nothing (plus the battery that needs to be inside of it), lol.



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I see it as a fixed Wii U with 3DS like mobility. From NES to GC, it was basically just power. Wii was innovative. Wii U was just... dumb. I don't want to be harsh, but it is a useless gimmick, that only 5% of the games used correctly. A glorified map/menu screen, just a split/out non-mobile DS. It was an expensive controller, with 2 to 3 hours of battery life, so you couldn't even use it properly. Remote play is a decent functionality, but in the end you have to be in your house to use. I have a TV dedicated to my consoles, so I really don't see a lot of use (I rarely use it with Vita). At least Switch allows me to keep playing while on a bus to another city without any internet connection.

Looking to the past, Wii U was a complete mess. The controller looks like a Fisher Price kids tablet, at least Switch looks like a Nvidia Shield or Nexus 7. I wanted to like the Wii U, really, but I realized that I only liked the games on it. The console was pretty much awful.

Also mind that it is more of a 3DS successor. So it's quite a leap. I see more like "hey, Wii U was a terrible mistake. Forget it existed. Here's what it should have been. Well, it actually makes 3DS obsolete and that's good because it is already a bit old, so it will also replace both".



Yes, but that's not necessarily a bad thing, in my opinion. Nintendo did not take full advantage of the Wii U's power during its lifetime, as BOTW shows, so they should still be able to flex their muscles quite a bit with whatever the Switch is packing. It's likely more than two times as powerful as the Wii U, but they're going to want to preserve a lot of that in handheld mode, and the extra power will be going towards 1080p when docked. If they continue to target 60fps with most of their titles, there'll be virtually no improvement over Wii U when it comes to fancy effects.

What were you expecting from the system? I thought you were all over the hybrid idea before.



Soundwave said:
Einsam_Delphin said:
Nothing new? Let me just pull out that other Nintendo system that I can play home console quality games on my TV and on the bus, at the cafe, at work, and yeah there is no system like this. :L

"Console quality" is subjective as nothing shown looked on XB1/PS4 level let alone PS4 Pro/Scorpio. It's not 2010 anymore, PS3 and XBox 360 are not the standard bearers of "console quality" anymore. 

It basically is the Wii U concept taken to its natural conclusion ... putting the chipset inside the tablet rather than requiring it be tethered to a seperate box. This guy had it figured out, lol. 

Sorry, by that I meant the controls. I don't really care about graphics, Wii U's are plenty good enough.

Naw, I can't play my Wii U at any of the aforementioned places so not the same.



I'm pretty disappointed with this information... I don't see any point to having detachable controllers ... a total pain in the ass when you want to "SWITCH" from console to portable mode.. I was hoping for a Wii U style Game Pad that wirelessly transmitted the HD video signal to any HDTV using a USB Powered - HDMI dongle... making the whole console extremely portable. That dock is just stupid...and it means the end of Nintendo's Dual Screen gaming innovations. Usually I would say..."time will tell", but this time I'm calling it early......It's a flop!



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Soundwave said:
wombat123 said:

Yeah, what Nintendo showed us was essentially everything I was hoping it wouldn't be.  It's like they just doubled down on the Wii U gamepad even though its biggest negatives was that its gimmick was too expensive and didn't add anything worthwhile.  All I wanted was a somewhat powerful Nintendo console with a cheap gimmick -- hell, I'd have been happy if they just made a Wii-HD and just doubled down on the wiimote.  Instead I get a tablet device that tries to do too much and doesn't have a defined audience outside of Nintendo fans -- just like the Wii U.

Yeah remember all the bruhaha over the Wii U tablet screen being such an unneccessary cost? Well now if you don't plan on using this as a portable, it's basically a wasted LCD display just sitting in the "toaster dock" doing absolutely nothing (plus the battery that needs to be inside of it), lol.

It's just -- I know this is what you were predicting for months Soundwave and I give you your credit for being right -- but this is just so disappointing so far for someone like me that hates handheld gaming.  I look at this device and I think "Nintendo discontinued the Wii U...for this?".



Soundwave said:

Yeah remember all the bruhaha over the Wii U tablet screen being such an unneccessary cost? Well now if you don't plan on using this as a portable, it's basically a wasted LCD display just sitting in the "toaster dock" doing absolutely nothing (plus the battery that needs to be inside of it), lol.

Ok, the LCD and battery won't even add 100 bucks to it. It looks a lot like the Nvidia Shield tablet, that costs 200 bucks. For a full console, it's reasonable. The problems with Wii U were:

- A joystick that costs 100 bucks is not reasonable. Switch controller won't cost that. A lot of people want more than one.

- Wii U only supported 1 gamepad. Switch provides the same controllers to anyone and they are cheap.

- Wii U gamepad got only 2 to 3 hours of battery. It's reasonable to assume that Switch controller will probably get at least 7 hours. Heck, the handheld portion probably will get 5 to 6 hours.



It doesn't work for me and not a product I'd want but still may get drawn in if the games are good.

I'd prefer a cheaper no switch option of a home console without portability. Especially now the dock covers the screen so it has no use at all when used as a home console.

I was hoping the tablet slotted into a VR visor and the the 2 side controllers linked together to form the VR gaming pad. I thought the 6" screen was ideal for this and the design of the controllers. It seemed perfectly setup for a good low cost VR experience and I've a feeling Nintendo may regret not going down this route if sales are low because it would have added another amount of potential buyers.

At the moment I'm expecting this to fail but that depends on price.

As for performance I'd be very surprised if it comprehensively beats xbox one. It looks to me like something between last gen and current gen. I guess around 600 gflops gpu performance. If its meant to be 3-4x wii u then that is about that figure in home mode and provide ps3/360 level performance on the move.

Even this may be optimistic though going by Nintendo's track record.



Einsam_Delphin said:
Nothing new? Let me just pull out that other Nintendo system that I can play home console quality games on my TV and on the bus, at the cafe, at work, and yeah there is no system like this. :L

Well.... no Nintendo systems like this.

I can do this with a PS4 and a Vita.



If you played only Wii U I get that, but the idea of many 3DS titles making such a leap is huge. Pokemon on the Switch is what some of us have wanted since the late 90s.

I am more excited about the possibility of a single device and unified library than I am the power of the system.