your mother said:
1. First off, I'm not defending any console or company or brand. Frankly, I don't care. However, it is true: Sony has not put a gun to your head forcing you to buy a console that happens to include Blu-ray. I assume you haven't bought one yet, right? Because you haven't been forced to, right? Because you are still alive to keep posting on this forum? This applies to everything that's for sale in a free market. 2. It is the consumer's choice to buy whatever they want. Saying that you should kill yourself because you consider the inclusion of Blu-ray in a console such an important issue so as to lose your life over it is illogical. 3. What's logical is that companies manufacture products to be sold, based on what they consider unique selling points in the hopes that those USPs will entice consumers to buy their product. You may not like what they offer in their USPs; that's fine. Don't buy their product. You yourself used to buy Sony but have joined Nintendo's camp. That's fine, but if you really joined Nintendo's camp because you thought the PS3 was a bad deal instead of thinking that the Wii was a good deal, then I guess your consumer habits are different than mine. Personally, I buy what I think is worth my money. And for your information, I don't own a PS3. 4. Also, saying that Sony has forced Blu-ray on you does not mean that you are forced to buy Blu-ray movies, which I believe is the rationale behind your tirade. And I guess that's the reason why you were pro-Sony before? Because Nintendo used proprietary formats in all their consoles? 5. Did you complain and gripe when Sony released the PS2 with DVD instead of CDR? What was your stance when all consoles bar Nintendo's started coming out with CDR formats? What did you do before optical media came out? Complain about cartridges because they were being forced on you? 6. If you look at worldwide sales trends, it seems that most people are buying Wiis in droves and not the PS3 precisely because they haven't been forced to consume a $600 product; rather, they find value in a $250 product. If they had been forced to buy the PS3, you'd see their sales would register far higher than they currently are. 7. Look, I checked your profile, and you yourself claim to enjoy trolling as a hobby. If you want to pick on PS3/Sony fanboys, go ahead. You are welcome to. But if you are targeting me because you think I am a PS3/Sony fanboy, you are sorely mistaken. 8. I am a wallet-conscious, smart consumer fanboy, and an anti-fanboy fanboy. I'm sure there are much juicier pickings in VGC for you to indulge in your trolling pastime with. |
1. If Sony does not have a version of the PS3 that doesn't have Blu-Ray then technically they are forcing you to buy Blu-Ray with their product. Stop arguing consummer semantics of free will, its not the same concept, you know it, I know it, drop the shit. The argument is and always was that Sony is forcing an uncessary feature onto a product which for the consumer to buy, forces it on them. Sure you could just not buy it, but then you've just side steped the argument altogether.
2. I was illustrating the ridiculously expansive slippery slope that could be played upon in the statement, "the consumer doesn't have to buy it" as to illustrate the escapist ideology of just saying, "don't buy it" as an excuse in this argument. You're running away from the argument, not countering it when you pull out to such a level.
3. I've always been a Nintendo gamer, I just bought a PS2. And reiterating the fact that companies tailor products to select demographics doesn't change the fact of the matter at hand, its just pointing out the obvious which is moot to the discussion at hand. In adding the Blu-Ray to the PS3 Sony not only limited the appeal of one demographic but in doing so tailored their product to an as of yet non existant consumer (Blu-Ray market) making a less successful product. This, this was the point of this discussion, to reflect upon Sony's ill choice in tailoring their product and I honestly fail to see how reiterating the structure of R&D as you have done adds anything or is relevant in slightest here.
4. No, but they're forcing any consumer who wants a PS3 to buy a $600, what could have been a $400, game console that now has an expensively useless feature. And what the fuck are you talking about me and Nintendo? I own every Nintendo console from the NES to the Wii and have had no problem with any of the propriotary formats, I buy a game console to play games not watch movies or listen to music.
5. CDR never achieved any success outside of the Asian market and was already dead by the time the PS2 came out. Comparing DVD vs CDR to HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray is a bit dated and quite honestly Asinine. And I have never once used the PS2's DVD player thanks.
6. Wow you're dense... Neither I, nor anyone else suggested Sony literally forced you to buy a PS3, all that was ever said was that if you buy a PS3, you're forced you to buy it with Blu-Ray, if you buy a PS3 you're forced you to buy the it as is with this extra baggage. And in saying this we are suggesting that they are bad at business for essentially forcing much of the market not to buy a PS3 for exactly these reasons. How have you been so oblivious to the fact that this has been my point all along, were you honestly dense enough to think I was suggesting Sony was forcing anyone to literally buy their product at gunpoint? No, I was saying they're forcing you to buy their product, if you buy it, with Blu-Ray, an unecessary and expensive hinderance which is costing them big time, which furthers my original point of them having bad business ethics. Sorry I didn't spell it out for you in the most simplistic of manners but I guess I can't assume adults are the only ones on these forums.
7. Oh, well! You've certainly told off this bully, ho ho!
8. You're a fanboy who needs to read other people's arguments more thoroughly before responding.
