So you understanding the point and disagreeing needs a hell lot of improvement.

To counter his idea of being an shareholder he should sell off his shares you put a link of shares going up, that when countered with shares going down you avoid the point saying that it shall (your opinion) rise again when the games release.

Except I didn't avoid the point. I addressed it in my second sentence. Your English comprehension skills need improvement.

I wasn't aware of Nintendo's stock value going down prior to his latest post. I was made aware, and acknowledged the new information. That's how stock prices, work you know. They can change rapidly. Therefore, something that was relevant one day may or may not be so the next. However, it doesn't change my opinion  (there, I made it more obvious so people like you, who feel like everyone on the Internet needs to put "IN MY OPINION" before everything, won't think I'm stating it as cold hard fact as if I'm a psychic) of future stock prospects.

If you want answer for that you need to be aware resons why WIi U failed. Wii U had terrible and misunderstood marketing (lotsa people are not aware at all that is new console, but some addon for Wii), not upaling gamepad and concept, high price (higher price than very popular Xbox360/PS3 at that moment), weak launch and 1st year lineup, software drought...Wii U was already dead and without 3rd party support after 1st year. Wii U was really bloody mess in every way and thas why is worst selling Nintendo console, and in most cases was bought only buy Nintendo hard core fans.

Now we have Switch, trailer was very clean and easy to understand, Switch looks much more interesting and cooler than Wii U, concept is interesting and easy to understand, reactions are very postive so far. Swithc will have very strong lineup, with ok price (IMO it will be $299) and good marketing Swithch can definatly be popular.

I will be way more appealing than Wii U for everyone, NIntendo fans, mobile users, casuals, kids and families, secondary console for PS4/XB1 users..

Well we relly dont know for how much sales Nintendo is aiming, but definatly they not aiming just to pass Wii U numbers. :)

Despite Nintendo PR talk, did you actually look Switch trailer, you can see that even in trailer Switch is used more outside home than in home. Switch is hybrid, you can use like real home console or like real handheld, PS4/XB1 are just home consoles. Yes PS4/XB1 will be more powerful but Switch gives consumers much more options, they can use Switch in whatever way they want and whenever they want, that's definitely advantage over PS4/XB1 and make it more difrent product compared to them.

X1 struggled because Microsoft fumbled on PR well ahead of its launch, and Sony capitalized on it in a masterful way. The "perceived value" had NOTHING to do with power, and everything to do with marketing, message and the perception of each manufacturer.

The vast majority of consumers don't give a crap about power. Go out and talk to random people on the street about the difference in power between X1 and PS4 and guage how much they really care. Ask random people why they chose their console of choice. I guarantee you very little of it has to do with the console's raw power.  Unless they are PC gamers or message board dwellers like us, they don't give a shit and they couldn't tell you a thing about screen tearing, resolutions, FLOPs, anti-aliasing, framerate or GPUs.

Getting back to the Switch, if it doesn't meet the expectations of customers, it will be because the games aren't there, not because Random Game A can only output in 900p on Switch instead of 1080p, or Random Game B has fewer shaders on the Switch than the other two.

So when you post stocks going up it matters, but when it goes down it is just the nature of the market. Thank you for helping my comprehension skills and cooping with it.

You need to put that it's your opinion when you are acting like you are talking facts.

Yes... sure that is the reason no one look at car reviews before buying or look which is the best version of multiplats, people buy things on random.

Holy crap! Could you be more condescending? Why do you think that someone disagrees with you they couldn't possibly understand or know the topic at hand as well as you? Do you think I'm completely unaware of why the Wii U sold? Do you think I've made numerous comments about the Nintendo Switch without taking 5 minutes to watch a trailer? Please try and be more respectful.

Moving on.

So you're main argument is that the Wii U was a great console that tens of millions of people actually wanted it, but didn't buy it realize how great it was because of poor marketing, poor naming, and high price - not because the concept was bad. I think that's ridiculous. There's plenty of electronics that have poor marketing and poor naming that sell incredibly well because it's a great product. The Wii U simply wasn't. The system was too underpowered. Third party games didn't look and play nearly as well, and after third party games sold terribly on the incredibly popular Wii, after initial third party games on the Wii U didn't sell well most gave up. Can you blame them. There was no reason to expect that time investment in the Wii U was worth the effort. The system also had features people didn't want. The second screen that wasn't in your line of vision was incredibly distracting for me, and the motion control of the control wasn't good enough to be used effectively. The system's "defining feature" made games worse for me.  However, the biggest reason why the Wii U sold terribly is because the core design of the Wii U was incredibly expensive to make. There was no real way to take advantages of economies of scale and technological advancement to make the cost of making a Wii U much cheaper, and thus lower the retail price. The Wii U came out in Nov. 2012 for $299 to October 216 at $229. That's $80 in 4 years. That's completely unacceptable, especially considering most people buy their consoles when they are $200 or less.

So now let's look at why you think the Switch is going to do better. In order to do that, you need to explain why the same expected release price ($300) went from being a "high price" with the Wii U to an "okay price" with the Switch. The PS3 was $279 when the Wii U was released, and the PS4 will be $299 when  the Switch is released. Does that $20 difference really make the Switch price that much more competiitve? Because I don't think it is. Why are third party games on the Switch going to play closer to the PS4/X1 counterparts than the Wii U did with PS3/X360 counterparts and why are going to sell better than they did on the Wii or Wii U? What makes it different this time based on what you have seen from Nintendo?  Now as for the design. The Switch might be in the same boat as the Wii U. They might not be able to scale that price down as prices get cheaper considering the design is actually just a more complicated Wii U. It might actually be harder to price cut this than the Wii U was. That remains to be seen.

As for poor marketing, how does putting in a third party game in your trailer that the creators are unwilling to so much as announce after the trailer is released. There's a very real chance that Skyrim will never come to the Nintendo Switch, so how exactly is Nintendo doing a better job of not misleading prospective buyers this time around? Theres already rumblings this console has far less under the hood than implied. On top of that, rumors are swirling that the Switch only has a 3 hour battery life.  It doesn't like that you'll be able to take this too far from home without tethering it to a wall outlet. Could that be why Nintendo is so insistent that this is a home console? I think so. This thing could be pretty useless out and about.

So you can bring the console with you on the road. So what? What makes you think that in 2016, tens of millions of people are willing to carry around a  $300 7" tablet to play it at 15-20 minute intervals? This thing will not fit in your pocket. There is a 0% chance I'm bringing around a backpack or asking my wife to fire this in her purse just so I can play games while we're out - and I'm someone who still carries around his Vita with him. It easily fits in the front pocket of my coat. How many people do you see carrying iPads and other tablets around just to play games on while out and about. Not many in my experience. In order for this feature to be appealing, you have to think tens of millions of people are willing to do that. Otherwise it's just another home console, competing with PS4 and X1 for tv shelf space, and you can't believe this actually stands a better chance than the Wii U did going toe-to-toe with PS and Xbox consoles that were much more powerful.

Well I guess the PS4 Pro and Xbox Scorpio must be figments of my imagination. What are the odds the PS4 pro itself does better than the Wii U did lifetime? I'd say those odds are pretty good. But it's a good thing that would-be buyers don't care about power right?

I think you're wrong. Most would-be gamers do care about power when it comes to determining value, and they care more than ever. They don't need to know about anti-aliasing or screen tearing to know that PS4 games look objectively better than Xbox One games, that look dramatically better than Wii U games. It's a factor that helps people choose which console they're going to buy, especially when all of the prices are the same!. You're right in the sense that most Nintendo fans couldn't care less about power, but that's an incredibly easy argument to make when your console of choice isn't nearly as capable as the rest. I heard plenty of Nintendo fans toot about how much more powerful the Gamecube was compared to the PS2, and I bet you those are some of the same people that suddenly don't care nearly that much.

If that's the marginal difference you're referring to than your point might is valid, but from what's been leaking out, it's entirely possible that the Switch is actually less powerful than the Wii U. Just let that sink in. Think about how hard it will be to sell a system to developers that's actially less capable than its predecessor, when the competition has gotten many times stronger. The difference is going to be stark. Making a PS4 game run on a console less powerful than the Wii U For example, imagine two display booths in a store like BestBuy. In my local store they're literally all right next to each other X1 - PS4 - Wii U. All in a Row. In the middle, you havePS4 pro that does native 4K, and then not 6 feet away, you have the Switch that does native 720p upscaled to 1080p, the is absolutely zero chance that the games from the switch aren't dramatically worse, and they're selling for the exact same price.

There's no way you can't objectively look at that and realize it's a really hard sell.

Nope, they both matter. I posted that link the first time because that was the latest report I was aware of at the time. Either way, a smart investor doesn't overreact to ebbs and flows and makes sound decisions based on what he or she knows of the market. Oh sorry, that's just my opinion.

Got any other strawman arguments for me?

Yes... sure that is the reason no one look at car reviews before buying or look which is the best version of multiplats, people buy things on random.

What the hell does buying a vehicle have to do with buying a gaming console? Furthermore, where in my last post did you see anything about people purchasing machines at random that cost hundreds of dollars?

Thank you for helping my comprehension skills and cooping with it.

We obviously still have a lot more work to do. That's not my opinion; that's a fact.

EDIT: Sorry, got distracted earlier and forgot to include something. I was originally going to ask if you've ever heard the term in Business 101, "Buy low, sell high"? That's the relevance between stock rising and falling.

Bullshit translator:

"Please buy our 3DS this holiday. Our new NS system that looks exactly like a tablet, has its own LCD display for portable play, has its own built in battery for portable play, a kick stand for portable play, a detachable spare controller for portable play situations is not a portable system. It's totally not a portable system. Why would you even think that? You might even call it a ... third pill -- aw fuck it. Please buy our 3DS portable game system this holiday. That is our portable system. Why don't you want a 3DS. Try it. Did I say 3DS is portable? Because it's portable. Not NS. Not until March 2017 anyway, ooops did I say that out loud? Just buy a 3DS ok? It has Pokemon. You'll love it, and we'll love having your money."

Ofcourse if there is bad marketing, high price, not appealing gimmick, not must have games, weak support...that average consumer will not want to buy it.

Actually PS3/Xbo360 were around $249 and people really didn't had any reason to buy Wii U instead of them because reasons I mention.

Like I wrote, message about Switch from trailer is very simple and clear, there is no any confusion out there, so totally different than Wii U. Ofcourse that Skyrim is coming to Switch, Bethesda confimred partnersihp and suport for Switch, and there is zero chanche that Nintendo would show 3rd party game runing on system if they are not 100% sure that game is coming on system. It's very obvious that Nintendo holding all amendments of games for later date. Why Switch will have better 3rd party than Wii U!? Because of better sales, main reason why 3rd party abandoned Wii U in 1st year is catastrophic sales of Wii U. Thats only one rumour about battery, other rumor saying mediocre batter while Nintendo said "that the whole thing was designed so that users could play as long as possible, “comfortably”, even in places where you don’t have access to a power outlet."

Actually tablet is around 6". Well tens of millions of people caring tablets and phablets. No, definatyl not aiming directly same consumers like PS4/XB1, like I wrote aiming NIntendo fans, mobile users, casuals, kids and families, secondary console for PS4/XB1 users.. Lol of course that will stand incompatible much better than Wii U, even now after just one trailer has much more positive reaction than Wii U, not to mention Wii U mistakes..