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I have to assume that fans of Iwata would be much more accommodating to criticism if it weren't couched in such a flippant phrase. You can say "I don't think Iwata was as amazing a business leader as fans like to think" but "the late not so great Iwata" just comes off as flippant and asshole-ish.

That said, can anyone give me the time stamp for the actual statement so I can get the context? Don't want to watch the entire video just to get the immediate context of the comment.



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onionberry said:
it's ok to have an opinion but when you do this you're an asshole, just like those who say "omg paul walker was not a good actor" etc etc, it's the same thing. The person is dead and a lot of people like to respect their memories, don't be a fucking asshole because you're "above and your opinions are important" please.

But do you think the two are comparable?

If somebody just shouts out "Paul walker was a bad actor", is that comparable with Pachter in the context of Nintendo's business strategies stating that Nintendo's leader was not good? And then at length bring forth a serious analysis of Nintendo's mobile strategy.

No.

If somebody says "Paul Walker was a bad actor" in the context of analyzing actors in Hollywood action movies or Fast and Furious, that can be perfectly valid, but it's totally different if you go and say that on purpose and out of disrespect to hurt other people. But Patcher didn't do that.

I'm sure Pathcer regrets how his words turned out and just watch, he will apologize for it.



Torillian said:
I have to assume that fans of Iwata would be much more accommodating to criticism if it weren't couched in such a flippant phrase. You can say "I don't think Iwata was as amazing a business leader as fans like to think" but "the late not so great Iwata" just comes off as flippant and asshole-ish.

That said, can anyone give me the time stamp for the actual statement so I can get the context? Don't want to watch the entire video just to get the immediate context of the comment.

It's early, at 3:30 in the video.



Torillian said:
I have to assume that fans of Iwata would be much more accommodating to criticism if it weren't couched in such a flippant phrase. You can say "I don't think Iwata was as amazing a business leader as fans like to think" but "the late not so great Iwata" just comes off as flippant and asshole-ish.

That said, can anyone give me the time stamp for the actual statement so I can get the context? Don't want to watch the entire video just to get the immediate context of the comment.

It starts at 3:30.



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mk, so having watched the context (thanks Slimebeast and Peh) I definitely think the issue is flippancy. There wasn't really a need to toss that little jab in there. It's not the end of the world and gonintendo should probably calm the fuck down, but I think Pachter made a mistake when he tossed that little comment in.



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Peh said:

Welp...

http://gonintendo.com/stories/266853-gonintendo-will-no-longer-share-michael-pachter-commentary

I don't know gonintendo.com so, I don't know if this has any value or not.

"In the most recent episode of Pachter Factor, analyst Michael Pachter mentions Satoru Iwata in passing. During his statement, Pachter says (3:30 mark), "the late and not so great Satoru Iwata." Whether or not Pachter believes Iwata's contributions to the industry were important is one thing. To take a jab at a man no longer with us just disgusts me, especially when most of us recognize how kind-hearted Mr. Iwata was. 

Again, I take no issue if Pachter doesn't feel Iwata's works merit and positive commentary. There are plenty of business decisions the man made that many analysts disagree with. That said, I take issue with how his remark is nothing but a petty jab at a man that we lost due to illness.

From here on out, we will not be covering anything else Michael Pachter shares in his analysis or commentary."

Well deserved. This guy shouldn't get any attention at all.



Slimebeast said:
Kai_Mao said:
I have no problem with criticism as long as it backs it up and doesn't aim to take shots at someone or something. However, this particular statement rubs me the wrong way. I get that Pachter doesn't like Nintendo's strategy in terms with mobile. Nevertheless, he could've said something that didn't sound like he's taking a shot at Iwata. Iwata's accomplishments both as a designer and as a president of both HAL and Nintendo cannot be swept under the rug or undermined. Despite his failure with the Wii U (and to some extent the initial launch of the 3DS), Iwata was able to bring in new audiences into gaming, which is never a bad thing. His current strategy that is being under Kimishima's watch so the ultimate results are yet to be determined.

That's your opinion, but it's not exactly universal truth. You must respect that somebody might have a different opinion, that Iwata was a poor leader (CEO) of Nintendo.

And Iwata being a poor leader is just YOUR opinion but it's not exactly universal truth.

Next thing you're gonna say is: "but hey, I never said he was a poor leader! that was just an example blablabla".



Slimebeast said:
FunFan said:
Not so great in which aspect? He didn't specify. As a programmer? Developer? Creative mind? No one can be great at everything, and everyone makes mistakes. Iwata unluckily died during the lowest point of his career, if you ignore the 3ds and his involvement in Pokemon Go.

Iwata "not so great" as a business leader. If you look at the context it becomes clear that that's what Pachter meaned.

It was a rethorical question.



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https://mynintendonews.com/2016/10/16/pachter-apologises-for-disrespectful-comment-about-satoru-iwata/



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HollyGamer said:
I wonder , do gamer really hate Pachter? if he talked good thing about sales number he will get applause , but if he trashing or bad mouthing some gaming product he will be a public enemy.

Pachter hatred is a really interesting slice of what the internet brings to the table.  I think he's well aware of that, too, and plays it up.

He can have a very reasonable discussion and say twenty things right, all of which will usually get ignored, but if he says one thing that a particular group of fans don't like, it will be slathered across forums as far as the eye can see--and on those forums, you'll have a herd of fans, who are usually way off base themselves, say, "lol Pachter is always wrong."  It's taken on a life of its own, at this point, and is really quite fascinating.

On those ocassions when he says something that group of fans agree with, on the other hand, we get a dozen sheep-like "lol the opposite must be going to happen lol" comments from people who think they're being witty by repeating something they read a couple years ago.  It's pretty fun to watch how people react.

In this particular case, I find it slightly disrespectful but also not a big deal.  He seemed to be speaking within the context of his argument about Iwata as a business person, which is completely up for debate.  Public figures are not above professional criticism simply because they are deceased.