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Swordmasterman on 18 October 2016
Mr Puggsly said:
Swordmasterman said:

1. Japan's franchises that sell million+ on consoles didn't launched yet.

2. When was the last time that a Microsoft or Sony game surpassed 1 million in the UK ? or even a multiplataform game ? One of the very very few games that surpassed 1 million in the UK were Call of Duty and Fifa, 2 games that already sell very well on the UK.

3. What I mean is that a game, despite not being of the biggest genre of the country, does not flop on Japan. While a game that goes a little away from the multiplayer of Halo, usually flops on the USA.

4. Metal Gear Solid sold over/under 1 million worldwide on the Xbox One. The game never launched for the PC, if I remember well, but, even so, it sold 700-800k units at 60US$ on Steam. Metal Gear Solid 2 and 3 launched for the Xbox  in the past.

5. The best selling game on the UK, with the exception of Cod and Fifa, was Fallout 4, which sold 500k in 1 version and 600-650k in the other version.(The 3 best selling game of 2015 in the UK).

6. The difference isn't so big. I don't know the reason why you think that Japan is a worthless market for Microsoft, or other companies, to invest.

7. If Microsoft and Sony invest in the UK to sell some hundreds of thousands, why would not be good to invest in Japan ?

8. Tomb Raider had  a bad launch in the UK last year, it sold 60-63k in the first week. Halo 5 sold much less than it usually sells on the UK, it sold a little more than Metal Gear Solid V sold in the UK. The number is still far from 1 million

1. I don't get what you're saying here. I'm saying software sales in Japan are modest, the best selling physical PS4 game in Japan is under 500K.

2. UK software sales >>> Japan software sales. European consumers generally enjoy the same stuff as NA consumers as well. So the west in general is a much more important audience than Japan.

3. Don't understand your what you're saying again.

4. Not sure what you're saying... again.

5. Again, UK consumers simply buy more games than Japan. Its a more important market to Sony and MS.

6. Japan simply isn't a market worth investing in. Sony themselves doesn't care about Japanese consumers, basically all of their games are for us western consumers. But PS4 is a popular platform in Japan because it will have significant 3rd party content.

7. MS and Sony doesn't invest in the UK per se, UK consumers just buy the same games as other western countries. To gain success in Japan though, you have to make or acquire games that appeal to a smaller market. Its not worth it for MS, they can move more hardware investing more money into western content.

8. For the recod, X1 software sales in UK > PS4 software sales in Japan. GTAV and BOIII will likely do 1 million UK. While Fifa has.

Sorry, but the European countries doesn't have the same tastes than the USA. A Racing game could be considered a flop in the USA but a success in Europe, the same is true for other games that sell well on Europe but don't in the USA.

I'm saying that the Xbox One, despite having some fanbase of Metal Gear, was outsold by the PC version that never saw a Metal Gear game before.

Japan's biggest games didn't launched yet. UK receives Fifa every year(one of th biggest games of those countries) and Call of Duty. Outside from what they sell, the best selling game did 500-650k. You are saying that a country who did  500-650k ,with their biggest game, outside their biggest titles, is more relevant the the one who did 450k+ without one of their biggest titles.

 

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8. For the recod, X1 software sales in UK > PS4 software sales in Japan. GTAV and BOIII will likely do 1 million UK. While Fifa has.

This makes the things even more even. The best selling game for the UK, for the Xbox One, without being Fifa or Cod, is Fallout 4 which did 500k.

So, if someone sells 450k,its irrelevant. But 500k, is relevant. Did you know that Halo 5 sold under the number of Knack(Japan) in the UK? One of the only markets that purchase Halo, we only have numbers of the beggining of 2016.

 

For Japan, Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy will easily surpass 1 million or more on the PS4. Even games that don't are the focus of Japan, sells 250-300K, UK's 3 biggest launch for the Xbox One(Behind Fifa and Cod) sold 500k. Tomb Raider, an UK's success, sold under 62k at launch



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Mr Puggsly on 18 October 2016
JRPGfan said:
This isnt just about the japanese market though.
There are people across the world that enjoy japanese styled games.

When you give up japan, and trying to make those types of games, your also giveing up on those types.

Persona 5, World of Final Fantasy, Final Fantasy 7R, Ni No Kuni 2, Dragon Quest 11....

These are big titles for alot of people.
Sure they dont sell as much as Call of Duty... but I bet you they potentially sell alot of hardware.

How many sales is X1 really losing by not making Japanese gaming a focus? Probably not even a million units. Most people who want those games will buy a Playstation anyway.

Again, NIntendo and Sony are vying for Japan. Let them have it, MS should invest in the larger western audience instead.

On a side note, I'm thinking FF 7R is coming to Xbox. At the very least SE brings western appealing FF games to Xbox.



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Mr Puggsly on 18 October 2016
Swordmasterman said:

Sorry, but the European countries doesn't have the same tastes than the USA. A Racing game could be considered a flop in the USA but a success in Europe, the same is true for other games that sell well on Europe but don't in the USA.

I'm saying that the Xbox One, despite having some fanbase of Metal Gear, was outsold by the PC version that never saw a Metal Gear game before.

Japan's biggest games didn't launched yet. UK receives Fifa every year(one of th biggest games of those countries) and Call of Duty. Outside from what they sell, the best selling game did 500-650k. You are saying that a country who did  500-650k ,with their biggest game, outside their biggest titles, is more relevant the the one who did 450k+ without one of their biggest titles.

8. For the recod, X1 software sales in UK > PS4 software sales in Japan. GTAV and BOIII will likely do 1 million UK. While Fifa has.

This makes the things even more even. The best selling game for the UK, for the Xbox One, without being Fifa or Cod, is Fallout 4 which did 500k.

So, if someone sells 450k,its irrelevant. But 500k, is relevant. Did you know that Halo 5 sold under the number of Knack(Japan) in the UK? One of the only markets that purchase Halo, we only have numbers of the beggining of 2016.

For Japan, Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy will easily surpass 1 million or more on the PS4. Even games that don't are the focus of Japan, sells 250-300K, UK's 3 biggest launch for the Xbox One(Behind Fifa and Cod) sold 500k. Tomb Raider, an UK's success, sold under 62k at launch

Does NA and European have the exact same taste? Ofcourse not, some genres sell better between them. For the most part though, they buy similar games.

It doesn't matter if MGSV sold better on PC, that doesn't determine whether or not Xbox One is supported in the future. A lot of PC gamers probably played MGS on Playstation consoles but bought MGSV on PC.

While the Japanese market waits for games they care about, UK is already buying games in bigger numbers and will continue to do so. This is why the UK is a more signfiicant market to Sony and MS.

You're cherry picking sales. I'm simply pointing out UK buys more console games than Japan in spite of being a smaller market. The home console market is Sony's and MS's focus.

Even when games like FFXV and DQ11 finally hit the market, the UK will buy more home console software than Japan.



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Swordmasterman on 18 October 2016
Mr Puggsly said:
JRPGfan said:
This isnt just about the japanese market though.
There are people across the world that enjoy japanese styled games.

When you give up japan, and trying to make those types of games, your also giveing up on those types.

Persona 5, World of Final Fantasy, Final Fantasy 7R, Ni No Kuni 2, Dragon Quest 11....

These are big titles for alot of people.
Sure they dont sell as much as Call of Duty... but I bet you they potentially sell alot of hardware.

How many sales is X1 really losing by not making Japanese gaming a focus? Probably not even a million units. Most people who want those games will buy a Playstation anyway.

Again, NIntendo and Sony are vying for Japan. Let them have it, MS should invest in the larger western audience instead.

On a side note, I'm thinking FF 7R is coming to Xbox. At the very least SE brings western appealing FF games to Xbox.

We don't know if FF7 will launch for the Xbox One, but if Square Enix is waiting to see how well FFXV will sell on the PC, if the sales of Type-0 are any trend, it won't sell on the Xbox One.

By the numbers, atleast 1 million on Japan alone, and a lot worldwide. It only did under/over 3 millions on the UK. The gap in the USA is of 1.5 millions.



Swordmasterman on 18 October 2016
Mr Puggsly said:
Swordmasterman said:

Sorry, but the European countries doesn't have the same tastes than the USA. A Racing game could be considered a flop in the USA but a success in Europe, the same is true for other games that sell well on Europe but don't in the USA.

I'm saying that the Xbox One, despite having some fanbase of Metal Gear, was outsold by the PC version that never saw a Metal Gear game before.

Japan's biggest games didn't launched yet. UK receives Fifa every year(one of th biggest games of those countries) and Call of Duty. Outside from what they sell, the best selling game did 500-650k. You are saying that a country who did  500-650k ,with their biggest game, outside their biggest titles, is more relevant the the one who did 450k+ without one of their biggest titles.

This makes the things even more even. The best selling game for the UK, for the Xbox One, without being Fifa or Cod, is Fallout 4 which did 500k.

So, if someone sells 450k,its irrelevant. But 500k, is relevant. Did you know that Halo 5 sold under the number of Knack(Japan) in the UK? One of the only markets that purchase Halo, we only have numbers of the beggining of 2016.

For Japan, Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy will easily surpass 1 million or more on the PS4. Even games that don't are the focus of Japan, sells 250-300K, UK's 3 biggest launch for the Xbox One(Behind Fifa and Cod) sold 500k. Tomb Raider, an UK's success, sold under 62k at launch

Does NA and European have the exact same taste? Ofcourse not, some genres sell better between them. For the most part though, they buy similar games.

It doesn't matter if MGSV sold better on PC, that doesn't determine whether or not Xbox One is supported in the future. A lot of PC gamers probably played MGS on Playstation consoles but bought MGSV on PC.

While the Japanese market waits for games they care about, UK is already buying games in bigger numbers and will continue to do so. This is why the UK is a more signfiicant market to Sony and MS.

You're cherry picking sales. I'm simply pointing out UK buys more console games than Japan in spite of being a smaller market. The home console market is Sony's and MS's focus.

Even when games like FFXV and DQ11 finally hit the market, the UK will buy more home console software than Japan.

The biggest games of the UK already launched, while the biggest Japanese games will still launch. One sold 430-450 thousands in 1 year as a best sellet, the other sold 500 thousands in 1 year (outside of the 2 biggest franchises of the UK) as the best seller. How is one  relevant and the other isn't ?



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Mr Puggsly on 18 October 2016
Swordmasterman said:
Mr Puggsly said:

How many sales is X1 really losing by not making Japanese gaming a focus? Probably not even a million units. Most people who want those games will buy a Playstation anyway.

Again, NIntendo and Sony are vying for Japan. Let them have it, MS should invest in the larger western audience instead.

On a side note, I'm thinking FF 7R is coming to Xbox. At the very least SE brings western appealing FF games to Xbox.

We don't know if FF7 will launch for the Xbox One, but if Square Enix is waiting to see how well FFXV will sell on the PC, if the sales of Type-0 are any trend, it won't sell on the Xbox One.

By the numbers, atleast 1 million on Japan alone, and a lot worldwide. It only did under/over 3 millions on the UK. The gap in the USA is of 1.5 millions.

FF Type 0 is not the barometer of how well a FF game can do on Xbox or Playstation. However, its fair to say FFXV will determine future support.

Also, I imagine MS wants the FF7R on their platform.



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Mr Puggsly on 18 October 2016
Swordmasterman said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Does NA and European have the exact same taste? Ofcourse not, some genres sell better between them. For the most part though, they buy similar games.

It doesn't matter if MGSV sold better on PC, that doesn't determine whether or not Xbox One is supported in the future. A lot of PC gamers probably played MGS on Playstation consoles but bought MGSV on PC.

While the Japanese market waits for games they care about, UK is already buying games in bigger numbers and will continue to do so. This is why the UK is a more signfiicant market to Sony and MS.

You're cherry picking sales. I'm simply pointing out UK buys more console games than Japan in spite of being a smaller market. The home console market is Sony's and MS's focus.

Even when games like FFXV and DQ11 finally hit the market, the UK will buy more home console software than Japan.

The biggest games of the UK already launched, while the biggest Japanese games will still launch. One sold 430-450 thousands in 1 year as a best sellet, the other sold 500 thousands in 1 year (outside of the 2 biggest franchises of the UK) as the best seller. How is one  relevant and the other isn't ?

The biggest games in the UK also annual or see numerous releases in a single gen. That's also a reason UK sells more home console games than Japan.

MS and Sony are more concerned with western markets than a niche market like Japan. No need to argue about it, that's just the way it is.



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Swordmasterman on 19 October 2016
Mr Puggsly said:
Swordmasterman said:

The biggest games of the UK already launched, while the biggest Japanese games will still launch. One sold 430-450 thousands in 1 year as a best sellet, the other sold 500 thousands in 1 year (outside of the 2 biggest franchises of the UK) as the best seller. How is one  relevant and the other isn't ?

The biggest games in the UK also annual or see numerous releases in a single gen. That's also a reason UK sells more home console games than Japan.

MS and Sony are more concerned with western markets than a niche market like Japan. No need to argue about it, that's just the way it is.

In the UK, Fifa is very popular because they like football. And why  is a market that sells millions of units of software per year  a bad thing or niche for Microsoft and Sony ?

The gap between the Xbox One and PS4 in Japan is bigger than the gap between the UK and USA combined.  Do Microsoft don't want those sales ?

Microsoft spent 80+ millions on Fable to  shut it down. They spent probably the same on Quantum Break, but it did terrible worldwide. If they were more popular in other countries, they would be able to make games of more genres and become even more popular.



Swordmasterman on 19 October 2016
Mr Puggsly said:
Swordmasterman said:

We don't know if FF7 will launch for the Xbox One, but if Square Enix is waiting to see how well FFXV will sell on the PC, if the sales of Type-0 are any trend, it won't sell on the Xbox One.

By the numbers, atleast 1 million on Japan alone, and a lot worldwide. It only did under/over 3 millions on the UK. The gap in the USA is of 1.5 millions.

FF Type 0 is not the barometer of how well a FF game can do on Xbox or Playstation. However, its fair to say FFXV will determine future support.

Also, I imagine MS wants the FF7R on their platform.

Not in quantity, but in %. Final Fantasy Type0 was ,in the reallity, just a bonus for the ones who purchased the Demo of FFXV, not the other thing around.

 In the Uk's weakest month for Software they sold 790 thousands of software between all consoles, 21 millions of Euros in revenue. That is pretty low and is less than 200 thousands of software per week. I don't think that Japan ever had such a poor month.

I think that Japan's weakest week in the last 10-15 years was +- 230 thousands.



Mr Puggsly on 19 October 2016
Swordmasterman said:
Mr Puggsly said:

The biggest games in the UK also annual or see numerous releases in a single gen. That's also a reason UK sells more home console games than Japan.

MS and Sony are more concerned with western markets than a niche market like Japan. No need to argue about it, that's just the way it is.

In the UK, Fifa is very popular because they like football. And why  is a market that sells millions of units of software per year  a bad thing or niche for Microsoft and Sony ?

The gap between the Xbox One and PS4 in Japan is bigger than the gap between the UK and USA combined.  Do Microsoft don't want those sales ?

Microsoft spent 80+ millions on Fable to  shut it down. They spent probably the same on Quantum Break, but it did terrible worldwide. If they were more popular in other countries, they would be able to make games of more genres and become even more popular.

Fifa is very successful in UK and Europe in general. But UK is interested in lots popular western titles, unlike Japan.

There is nothing MS can do to get an edge in Japan while Nintendo and Sony have all the 3rd party support. Atleast nothing financially worthwhile. Investing in Japan would be a complete waste for MS when they could instead spend more in the larger western market.

Oh, I think youre speculating on game budgets with no facts. I've played both games, they dont look or feel like 80 million dollar games.



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