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XanderXT on 14 October 2016

Man, I wish there was a Nintendo store in the Philippines!



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StarOcean on 14 October 2016
Vodacixi said:
ktay95 said:
"It made RPGs what it is today" - Some Retard

Everytime someone says Zelda games are RPGs, I die a little.

Well I'd argue Zelda 2 is an RPG. And it is undeniable there are a lot of RPG elements in the games, especially newer ones. BOTW seems to be the most RPG-like Zelda since 2. I'm not saying it is one, but there are reasons why I could see some mistake it for an RPG



bigtakilla on 14 October 2016

One of the best rpgs ever!



maxleresistant on 14 October 2016

Zelda did not influence RPG, you know what came out the same year as the first Zelda?

The first Dragon Quest.

Zelda influenced adventure games, and it was also the premice of open world games.

But RPGs? No, absolutely not, Enix and Square were always 10 steps ahead of anything Nintendo made regarding RPG or RPG elements in games (in the 80's and 90's)

As for today's RPGs, yeah the line between action/aventure and RPG is kind of blurring, because a lot of modern RPGs took elements from action adventure games (The Witcher, Fable, Mass Effect)
And on the other hand, a lot of Action and/or adventure games (A LOT) are taking elements from RPGs (stats, upgrading characters, crafting etc etc



lonerism on 14 October 2016

"Zelda RPG"



Yeah, sure



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Aielyn on 14 October 2016
ktay95 said:
"It made RPGs what it is today" - Some Retard

Seriously, you had to turn a positive thread into a stupid argument?

By the way, here's a very pertinent argument being put: http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/the-argument-for-the-legend-of-zelda-as-a-highly-s-32893014/

But that's all quite beside the point, isn't it? It doesn't have to be an RPG to have a critical influence on some of the most influential RPGs. Many of the tropes that were first made popular in Zelda are now found in most RPGs.

And even if that weren't true, calling someone a retard is nothing more than flaming, and highly offensive to boot, and the forum rules explicitly state that the following is unacceptable:

  • Making highly offensive comments about people outside the site (though greater leniency will be shown for comments about non-members).
Now that I've said my piece on that, I just wanted to say that I was considering going to the EB Expo, but somehow managed to not realise when it was on until it was too late - basically, late on the final day. 'twas a shame.


Wyrdness on 14 October 2016
maxleresistant said:
Zelda did not influence RPG, you know what came out the same year as the first Zelda?

The first Dragon Quest.

Zelda influenced adventure games, and it was also the premice of open world games.

But RPGs? No, absolutely not, Enix and Square were always 10 steps ahead of anything Nintendo made regarding RPG or RPG elements in games (in the 80's and 90's)

As for today's RPGs, yeah the line between action/aventure and RPG is kind of blurring, because a lot of modern RPGs took elements from action adventure games (The Witcher, Fable, Mass Effect)
And on the other hand, a lot of Action and/or adventure games (A LOT) are taking elements from RPGs (stats, upgrading characters, crafting etc etc

Not really development didn't take that long in those days unlike now, Zelda 2 was out  11 months after the first game for example, DQ came out 6 or so months after Zelda released, Zelda had a big impact on any adventure like game including RPGs.

Metroid was inspired by Zelda and came out the same year about 7 months later.



ktay95 on 14 October 2016
Aielyn said:
ktay95 said:
"It made RPGs what it is today" - Some Retard

Seriously, you had to turn a positive thread into a stupid argument?

By the way, here's a very pertinent argument being put: http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/the-argument-for-the-legend-of-zelda-as-a-highly-s-32893014/

But that's all quite beside the point, isn't it? It doesn't have to be an RPG to have a critical influence on some of the most influential RPGs. Many of the tropes that were first made popular in Zelda are now found in most RPGs.

And even if that weren't true, calling someone a retard is nothing more than flaming, and highly offensive to boot, and the forum rules explicitly state that the following is unacceptable:

  • Making highly offensive comments about people outside the site (though greater leniency will be shown for comments about non-members).
Now that I've said my piece on that, I just wanted to say that I was considering going to the EB Expo, but somehow managed to not realise when it was on until it was too late - basically, late on the final day. 'twas a shame.

And this right here is backseat moderating which is also not allowed

Plus I didn't turn a positive thread into a stupid argument, the guy in the video did. Also it's not my fault every comment is continuing the argument, guess it's just the most interesting or important topic to come out of this vid. Y'all could have just ignored me but it seems as though some people were interested in discussing the topic.



Anfebious on 14 October 2016

"Zelda influenced RPG's anyone who says otherwise needs to play more vidyagames. That doesn't mean it was the only game that did."

See, I said something positive without being an ass. It's possible, and you can do it too, change come from the inside.

Peace.



"I've Underestimated the Horse Power from Mario Kart 8, I'll Never Doubt the WiiU's Engine Again"

Lawlight on 14 October 2016
Nuvendil said:
Lawlight said:

How did it influence RPGs quite a bit? The only example you gave is an action game with RPG elements derived from actual RPGs.

Well that right there will effect your evaluation, what you call an RPG.  I do consider souls an RPG more than an Action game due to it's emphasis on player-guided and pseudo-class based progression. 

I would say that it had considerable impact on guiding where RPGs went, though perhaps not inspiring the features specifically.  I would say the popularity - though not the existence -  of action combat in popular RPGs - most notably, of course, The Elder Scrolls - would be tied to the influence the success of Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Wind Waker, and Twilight Princess had on gamers' taste.  Also, of course, the emphasis on exploration in Zelda from the start has no doubt helped build up the consumers who now seek that in more substantial games, like RPGs.  Many people who played Zelda 1 and Zelda 3 and of coures OoT and MM are now older gamers who moved to other systems or at least bought them alongside Nintendo hardware and would be drawn to a more RPG-element heavy game that reminded them of Zelda in terms of its real time combat and exploration focus, not an RPG with turn based or real time battle systems.  And of course, there comes the fact that many developers of RPGs do outright state the first Zelda and the third Zelda as inspirations when constructing their large explorable worlds. 

So yes, Souls is the most obvious and most easily recognized Zelda-inspired RPG, but I would say it is a reasonable conclusion to come to that Zelda has influenced the flow of the RPG market fairly well.  And in a variety of ways at a variety of points, Zelda is very old.

I disagree. I think the only thing in common between Zelda and the Souls game is that the characters hold a sword. Zelda has no RPG elements, is not a combat driven game and has puzzles.

The Elder Scrolls are based on the Ultima games basically.