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Forums - Sales Discussion - September 2016 NPD Thread! XBO #1; PS4 Slim flops

scrapking on 15 October 2016

JRPGfan said:

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5) it uses less power and is much much less noisy than the Xbox One Slim.

Edit to improve flow of words (but not their meaning): Digital Foundry found the PS4 Slim might be marginally quieter than the Xbox One S for digital games (but acknowledged more testing needed to be done to confirm that), but that the BD drive remains much noisier on the PS 4 Slim.  So it's not accurate to call it "much much less noisy", as it's not necessarily quieter overall, if at all. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-hands-on-with-the-playstation-4-slim-cuh-2000 And does it even use less power than the Xbox One S? Got a link for that?



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Lortsamler on 15 October 2016
X1Gates said:
sabvre42 said:

And the xb1s is soooooo much different than the og xb1? I mean it has enhanced IQ right?

It has a 4k drive for 299. What does the ps4 s and pro have that makes it different from the xbox one s? Nothing!!

Enjoy your 65 movies that support 4k,and most of them are old movies,and not even originally filmed in 4k,lol Discs are dying dude....dying...



aLkaLiNE on 15 October 2016
wedemboyz said:
aLkaLiNE said:

If you want to put it into perspective then you wouldn't be comparing an established franchise with over 7 entries to a brand new IP marred with connectivity issues at launch that also got utterly destroyed by critics. So, if you want to put things into perspective, how about comparing another first party game from an established franchise that had its own month of no conpetition from any first party title?

 

All I asked was, wasn't FH3 the only first party exclusive that launched that month? That tweet is completely redundant if so

Wow why are you being so defensive? I just gave additional information.
Should i compare Forza Horizon to NBA2k, that is an already established franchise? No! I compared it with other racing games.
Gran Turismo 6, the biggest racing franchise,  sold less than 180k in its first month (4 weeks tracking vs 1 for Horzion 3). And that was back in  2013, when digital sales were much lower.

And i also gave you an answer about your question about the only exclusive.
Forza Horizon was the only "big" exclusive, that launched, but not the only exclusive. Recore and Monster Hunter also launched that month...

You gave irrelevant information which distorts perspective so I merely corrected you. And no you shouldn't compare horizon to NBA, not only because they're completely different genres but also because ones multi platform while the other is exclusive which again would make that a moot point.  What your "perspective" is would be akin to comparing Recores launch sales to the sales of Ratchet & Clank, both being $40, similar genres, exclusives, but ones established and one isn't. The comparison to GT6 would be somewhat relevent but there are still noticeably different conditions with that in that GT6 launched on PS3 like a month after the PS4 came out during Christmas. 

 

Your second statement, about "big exclusives", I had genuinely forgot that recore launched that month so some clarification was needed. Appreciate the answer



wedemboyz on 15 October 2016
aLkaLiNE said:
wedemboyz said:

Wow why are you being so defensive? I just gave additional information.
Should i compare Forza Horizon to NBA2k, that is an already established franchise? No! I compared it with other racing games.
Gran Turismo 6, the biggest racing franchise,  sold less than 180k in its first month (4 weeks tracking vs 1 for Horzion 3). And that was back in  2013, when digital sales were much lower.

And i also gave you an answer about your question about the only exclusive.
Forza Horizon was the only "big" exclusive, that launched, but not the only exclusive. Recore and Monster Hunter also launched that month...

You gave irrelevant information which distorts perspective so I merely corrected you. And no you shouldn't compare horizon to NBA, not only because they're completely different genres but also because ones multi platform while the other is exclusive which again would make that a moot point.  What your "perspective" is would be akin to comparing Recores launch sales to the sales of Ratchet & Clank, both being $40, similar genres, exclusives, but ones established and one isn't. The comparison to GT6 would be somewhat relevent but there are still noticeably different conditions with that in that GT6 launched on PS3 like a month after the PS4 came out during Christmas. 

 

Your second statement, about "big exclusives", I had genuinely forgot that recore launched that month so some clarification was needed. Appreciate the answer

wow just go on and double down
how dare i give sales information in a topic about sales...

but i learned my lesson. i will never again give further information to a person like you. no need to have a discussion with such a negative personality



aLkaLiNE on 15 October 2016
X1Gates said:
sabvre42 said:

And the xb1s is soooooo much different than the og xb1? I mean it has enhanced IQ right?

It has a 4k drive for 299. What does the ps4 s and pro have that makes it different from the xbox one s? Nothing!!

Substantially better Wi-Fi card that supports 5ghz frequency,  SATA 3 support so we can take full advantage of the speed that an SSD will bring, a massive increase in GPU performance (1.8tflops to 4.2tflops), an increase in RAM speed/frequency, an up clocked CPU, hardware based upscaling to 4K (no resources pulled from the CPU to do this), and I think that's all that's been revealed so far. According to Cerny there are other hardware customizations that will be brought to light at his keynote.

 

Those are some things.



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aLkaLiNE on 15 October 2016
wedemboyz said:
aLkaLiNE said:

You gave irrelevant information which distorts perspective so I merely corrected you. And no you shouldn't compare horizon to NBA, not only because they're completely different genres but also because ones multi platform while the other is exclusive which again would make that a moot point.  What your "perspective" is would be akin to comparing Recores launch sales to the sales of Ratchet & Clank, both being $40, similar genres, exclusives, but ones established and one isn't. The comparison to GT6 would be somewhat relevent but there are still noticeably different conditions with that in that GT6 launched on PS3 like a month after the PS4 came out during Christmas. 

 

Your second statement, about "big exclusives", I had genuinely forgot that recore launched that month so some clarification was needed. Appreciate the answer

wow just go on and double down
how dare i give sales information in a topic about sales...

but i learned my lesson. i will never again give further information to a person like you. no need to have a discussion with such a negative personality

You are free to do anything you set your heart on. I'm free to rebute. This is a sales site though, and you're particularily posting in one of our most important threads so be prepared to see discussion, debate, and disagreement. It's par the course



wedemboyz on 15 October 2016

fair enough...

exclusive racing game first month retail sales in the US since 2013:
Forza Motorsport 5 ~200k (2 weeks)
Gran Turismo 6 < 180k (4 weeks)
Mario Kart 8 ~350k (1 week)
Forza Horizon 2 ~120k (1 week)
Driveclub - 42k (4 weeks)
Forza Motorsport 6 ~195k including bundles (3 weeks)
Forza Horizon 3 ~150k (1 week)



cmay227 on 15 October 2016
aLkaLiNE said:
X1Gates said:

It has a 4k drive for 299. What does the ps4 s and pro have that makes it different from the xbox one s? Nothing!!

Substantially better Wi-Fi card that supports 5ghz frequency,  SATA 3 support so we can take full advantage of the speed that an SSD will bring, a massive increase in GPU performance (1.8tflops to 4.2tflops), an increase in RAM speed/frequency, an up clocked CPU, hardware based upscaling to 4K (no resources pulled from the CPU to do this), and I think that's all that's been revealed so far. According to Cerny there are other hardware customizations that will be brought to light at his keynote.

 

Those are some things.

Xbox one has always had 5ghz wifi. Xbox one s has SATA 3 interface as well.  I am not saying theirs no difference. Just wanted to point out the those two things. Also Xbox one s does hardware upscaling to 4k as well. The pro is just more powerful and that's about it. And can do VR marginally better then the ps4. Which is just a little bit better then Samsung's gear VR.  



GOWTLOZ on 15 October 2016
cmay227 said:
aLkaLiNE said:

Substantially better Wi-Fi card that supports 5ghz frequency,  SATA 3 support so we can take full advantage of the speed that an SSD will bring, a massive increase in GPU performance (1.8tflops to 4.2tflops), an increase in RAM speed/frequency, an up clocked CPU, hardware based upscaling to 4K (no resources pulled from the CPU to do this), and I think that's all that's been revealed so far. According to Cerny there are other hardware customizations that will be brought to light at his keynote.

 

Those are some things.

Xbox one has always had 5ghz wifi. Xbox one s has SATA 3 interface as well.  I am not saying theirs no difference. Just wanted to point out the those two things. Also Xbox one s does hardware upscaling to 4k as well. The pro is just more powerful and that's about it. And can do VR marginally better then the ps4. Which is just a little bit better then Samsung's gear VR.  

XB1S upscales games to 4K from a native resolution of 720 to 1080p. PS4 Pro upscales games from a native resolution of 1440 to 1800p. There is a huge difference in the native reslution from which games are upscaled. Also PS4 pro uses checkerboard rendering which looks much closer to 4K.

PS4 Pro also natively runs games such as TLOU and Skyrim at 4K.



cmay227 on 15 October 2016
GOWTLOZ said:
cmay227 said:

Xbox one has always had 5ghz wifi. Xbox one s has SATA 3 interface as well.  I am not saying theirs no difference. Just wanted to point out the those two things. Also Xbox one s does hardware upscaling to 4k as well. The pro is just more powerful and that's about it. And can do VR marginally better then the ps4. Which is just a little bit better then Samsung's gear VR.  

XB1S upscales games to 4K from a native resolution of 720 to 1080p. PS4 Pro upscales games from a native resolution of 1440 to 1800p. There is a huge difference in the native reslution from which games are upscaled. Also PS4 pro uses checkerboard rendering which looks much closer to 4K.

PS4 Pro also natively runs games such as TLOU and Skyrim at 4K.

OK, Did i say it didn't? The person i replyed to just stated hardware upscaling  to 4k. Not from 2k to 4k. also The pro will upscale from 720 to 1800p. not all games on pro are going to be native 1440 or 1800. very little in fact.