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DanneSandin said:
DélioPT said:

Honestly,  sometimes i wonder if all rumours aren't true, as in, there are multiple form factors on the way.

We have pretty much everything HW wise! :D

Yeah, the same thought struck me yesterday; all the rumors we've been hearing might turn out to be correct, but it might be two different kind of devices. That would explain some of the confusing, and some times contradictive, rumors.

 

Stop to listen rumors...  Listen Iwata... 

 

because of vast technological advances, it became possible to achieve a fair degree of architectural integration. that porting games across platforms would be much easier, and help solve Nintendo’s current problem of “game shortages.”



“It will become important for us to accurately take advantage of what we have done with the Wii U architecture,”
“It of course does not mean that we are going to use exactly the same architecture as Wii U, but we are going to create a system that can absorb the Wii U architecture adequately. When this happens, home consoles and handheld devices will no longer be completely different, and they will become like brothers in a family of systems.”


“Currently, we can only provide two form factors because if we had three or four different architectures, we would face serious shortages of software on every platform,”

“To cite a specific case, Apple is able to release smart devices with various form factors one after another because there is one way of programming adopted by all platforms.”

Another example is Android. Though there are various models, Android does not face software shortages because there is one common way of programming on the Android platform that works with various models. The point is, Nintendo platforms should be like those two examples.”

 

Iwata never said one console for all games but one OS for all console 



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DanneSandin said:
Miyamotoo said:

Actually we have very rearly contradictive rumours, 95% of rumours are saying that NX is hybrid, not two different kind of devices.

Couldn't it be a hybrid as well as two devices? Like, you could take your controller and use it as a barebone portable console, as well as use the actual handheld console and use THAT as a controller?

Could be, but almost all rumours suggest that is hybrid in one package (handheld unit and base unit), not two separate devices that would be sold separate.

 

 

Akeos said:
DanneSandin said:

Yeah, the same thought struck me yesterday; all the rumors we've been hearing might turn out to be correct, but it might be two different kind of devices. That would explain some of the confusing, and some times contradictive, rumors.

 

Stop to listen rumors...  Listen Iwata... 

because of vast technological advances, it became possible to achieve a fair degree of architectural integration. that porting games across platforms would be much easier, and help solve Nintendo’s current problem of “game shortages.”

“It will become important for us to accurately take advantage of what we have done with the Wii U architecture,”
“It of course does not mean that we are going to use exactly the same architecture as Wii U, but we are going to create a system that can absorb the Wii U architecture adequately. When this happens, home consoles and handheld devices will no longer be completely different, and they will become like brothers in a family of systems.”

 

 

“Currently, we can only provide two form factors because if we had three or four different architectures, we would face serious shortages of software on every platform,”

“To cite a specific case, Apple is able to release smart devices with various form factors one after another because there is one way of programming adopted by all platforms.”


Another example is Android. Though there are various models, Android does not face software shortages because there is one common way of programming on the Android platform that works with various models. The point is, Nintendo platforms should be like those two examples.”

 

Iwata never said one console for all games but one OS for all console 

Actualy in some way he did said.

This is Iwata quote from January 2014, year after he mentioned "brothers in a family of systems":


“Still, I am not sure if the form factor (the size and configuration of the hardware) will be integrated. In contrast, the number of form factors might increase. Currently, we can only provide two form factors because if we had three or four different architectures, we could face serious shortages of software on every platform.

Whether we will ultimately need just one device will be determined by what consumers demand in the future, and that is not something we know at the moment."

 

 

He basically said there is a possibility that form factor will be integrated and that there is a possibility for just one device, so it's very different way of thinking from that just one year earlier, and it seems that Nintendo continued with possibility of integrated form factor aka hybrid.



Akeos said:
DanneSandin said:

Yeah, the same thought struck me yesterday; all the rumors we've been hearing might turn out to be correct, but it might be two different kind of devices. That would explain some of the confusing, and some times contradictive, rumors.

 

Stop to listen rumors...  Listen Iwata... 

 

because of vast technological advances, it became possible to achieve a fair degree of architectural integration. that porting games across platforms would be much easier, and help solve Nintendo’s current problem of “game shortages.”



“It will become important for us to accurately take advantage of what we have done with the Wii U architecture,”
“It of course does not mean that we are going to use exactly the same architecture as Wii U, but we are going to create a system that can absorb the Wii U architecture adequately. When this happens, home consoles and handheld devices will no longer be completely different, and they will become like brothers in a family of systems.”


“Currently, we can only provide two form factors because if we had three or four different architectures, we would face serious shortages of software on every platform,”

“To cite a specific case, Apple is able to release smart devices with various form factors one after another because there is one way of programming adopted by all platforms.”

Another example is Android. Though there are various models, Android does not face software shortages because there is one common way of programming on the Android platform that works with various models. The point is, Nintendo platforms should be like those two examples.”

 

Iwata never said one console for all games but one OS for all console 

Yes, this would indicate two different devices that work together, but most rumors point to there being only one device. So it's hard to tell right now, which one it'll be.



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Miyamotoo said:
DanneSandin said:

Couldn't it be a hybrid as well as two devices? Like, you could take your controller and use it as a barebone portable console, as well as use the actual handheld console and use THAT as a controller?

Could be, but almost all rumours suggest that is hybrid in one package (handheld unit and base unit), not two separate devices that would be sold separate.

 

 

Actualy in some way he did said.

This is Iwata quote from January 2014, year after he mentioned "brothers in a family of systems":


“Still, I am not sure if the form factor (the size and configuration of the hardware) will be integrated. In contrast, the number of form factors might increase. Currently, we can only provide two form factors because if we had three or four different architectures, we could face serious shortages of software on every platform.

Whether we will ultimately need just one device will be determined by what consumers demand in the future, and that is not something we know at the moment."

 

 

He basically said there is a possibility that form factor will be integrated and that there is a possibility for just one device, so it's very different way of thinking from that just one year earlier, and it seems that Nintendo continued with possibility of integrated form factor aka hybrid.

Yes, right now most rumors point to one device, but I on't think we should exclude the possibility of there being two consoles that work together. I find it hard to believe that they could go from having two devices in development (which is what it sounds like from those quotes) to having just ONE device in under two years time. At first it sounds like there will be two devices, and then in 2014 Iwata opens up to the possibility of there beng just ONE device, but by then Nintendo should have been to far gone in their designs of TWO consoles that it would be kinda hard to simply drop/integrate one of them, no? But like I said, the rumors do seem to point to ONE device.



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DanneSandin said:
Akeos said:

 

Stop to listen rumors...  Listen Iwata... 

 

because of vast technological advances, it became possible to achieve a fair degree of architectural integration. that porting games across platforms would be much easier, and help solve Nintendo’s current problem of “game shortages.”



“It will become important for us to accurately take advantage of what we have done with the Wii U architecture,”
“It of course does not mean that we are going to use exactly the same architecture as Wii U, but we are going to create a system that can absorb the Wii U architecture adequately. When this happens, home consoles and handheld devices will no longer be completely different, and they will become like brothers in a family of systems.”


“Currently, we can only provide two form factors because if we had three or four different architectures, we would face serious shortages of software on every platform,”

“To cite a specific case, Apple is able to release smart devices with various form factors one after another because there is one way of programming adopted by all platforms.”

Another example is Android. Though there are various models, Android does not face software shortages because there is one common way of programming on the Android platform that works with various models. The point is, Nintendo platforms should be like those two examples.”

 

Iwata never said one console for all games but one OS for all console 

Yes, this would indicate two different devices that work together, but most rumors point to there being only one device. So it's hard to tell right now, which one it'll be.

And this indicates possibility of one device:

“Still, I am not sure if the form factor (the size and configuration of the hardware) will be integrated.In contrast, the number of form factors might increase. Currently, we can only provide two form factors because if we had three or four different architectures, we could face serious shortages of software on every platform.

Whether we will ultimately need just one device will be determined by what consumers demand in the future, and that is not something we know at the moment."

 

 

DanneSandin said:
Miyamotoo said:

Could be, but almost all rumours suggest that is hybrid in one package (handheld unit and base unit), not two separate devices that would be sold separate.

 

 

Actualy in some way he did said.

This is Iwata quote from January 2014, year after he mentioned "brothers in a family of systems":


“Still, I am not sure if the form factor (the size and configuration of the hardware) will be integrated. In contrast, the number of form factors might increase. Currently, we can only provide two form factors because if we had three or four different architectures, we could face serious shortages of software on every platform.

Whether we will ultimately need just one device will be determined by what consumers demand in the future, and that is not something we know at the moment."

 

 

He basically said there is a possibility that form factor will be integrated and that there is a possibility for just one device, so it's very different way of thinking from that just one year earlier, and it seems that Nintendo continued with possibility of integrated form factor aka hybrid.

I find it hard to believe that they could go from having two devices in development (which is what it sounds like from those quotes) to having just ONE device in under two years time. At first it sounds like there will be two devices, and then in 2014 Iwata opens up to the possibility of there beng just ONE device, but by then Nintendo should have been to far gone in their designs of TWO consoles that it would be kinda hard to simply drop/integrate one of them, no? But like I said, the rumors do seem to point to ONE device.

I dont think they ever had two devices in development, we are talking about January 2013, just few months after Wii U launch, at that time most likely they had just initial theoretical plans about new platform and they just talk about them and analyze them, and in some point later they decided its better to go with hybrid instead of multiple devices. Thats why year later we got Iwata quotes of possibilities of integrated form factor and one device.



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DanneSandin said:
Akeos said:

 

Stop to listen rumors...  Listen Iwata... 

 

because of vast technological advances, it became possible to achieve a fair degree of architectural integration. that porting games across platforms would be much easier, and help solve Nintendo’s current problem of “game shortages.”



“It will become important for us to accurately take advantage of what we have done with the Wii U architecture,”
“It of course does not mean that we are going to use exactly the same architecture as Wii U, but we are going to create a system that can absorb the Wii U architecture adequately. When this happens, home consoles and handheld devices will no longer be completely different, and they will become like brothers in a family of systems.”


“Currently, we can only provide two form factors because if we had three or four different architectures, we would face serious shortages of software on every platform,”

“To cite a specific case, Apple is able to release smart devices with various form factors one after another because there is one way of programming adopted by all platforms.”

Another example is Android. Though there are various models, Android does not face software shortages because there is one common way of programming on the Android platform that works with various models. The point is, Nintendo platforms should be like those two examples.”

 

Iwata never said one console for all games but one OS for all console 

Yes, this would indicate two different devices that work together, but most rumors point to there being only one device. So it's hard to tell right now, which one it'll be.

 

For me, 

System NX is well 2 consoles, a portable and a home console.


The portable will be close to Vita for the power. Will have its own games. Look like a smartphone with pad detachable... 

The home console will be close to a ps4, but we will be able to also play with the games of the portable, home console will have a CPU x86 and a gpu amd, but also a ARM to ensure compatibility with the games portable.


Nintendo will replace the touch screen of the portable by the aiming system of Wiimote for the home console (intégred in pad detachable) .


Handheld device + pad detachable sold 149 dollars.

Home console + pad detachable sold 299 dollars

Bundle: home console + pad detachable + handheld device sold 399 dollars


The particularity will be a Community system of cloud using the home console to keep the online without month's subscription and to propose games massively multiplayer online (as well for the games portable as the games home console …) 

So people could take only HC or only HH, or both together, but features between them going to do that à lots take bundle... 


And if rumors speak about 1 console it's because Nintendo don't give all informations, studios are working on portable don't know anything about home console,  studios are working on home console don't know there is a portable too 



Akeos said:
DanneSandin said:

Yes, this would indicate two different devices that work together, but most rumors point to there being only one device. So it's hard to tell right now, which one it'll be.

 

For me, 

System NX is well 2 consoles, a portable and a home console.


The portable will be close to Vita for the power. Will have its own games. Look like a smartphone with pad detachable... 

The home console will be close to a ps4, but we will be able to also play with the games of the portable, home console will have a CPU x86 and a gpu amd, but also a ARM to ensure compatibility with the games portable.



Nintendo will replace the touch screen of the portable by the aiming system of Wiimote for the home console (intégred in pad detachable) .


Handheld device + pad detachable sold 149 dollars.

Home console + pad detachable sold 299 dollars

Bundle: home console + pad detachable + handheld device sold 399 dollars


The particularity will be a Community system of cloud using the home console to keep the online without month's subscription and to propose games massively multiplayer online (as well for the games portable as the games home console …) 

So people could take only HC or only HH, or both together, but features between them going to do that à lots take bundle... 


And if rumors speak about 1 console it's because Nintendo don't give all informations, studios are working on portable don't know anything about home console,  studios are working on home console don't know there is a portable too 

Trustable rumours (Eurogamer, WSJ, IGN, Emilly Rogers...) are saying that NX having Nvidia Tegra, Tegra is much more powerful than Vita, it's more powerful than Wii U, especially if it's rely Pascal based.



This could be Kimishima's touch...the new head of Nintendo isn't a developper, but a commercial, he might feel (and it'd be right) they need to refine their marketing skills.



Miyamotoo,
Nintendo can't want making a portable with powerful.... Tegra X1 need 20 watts for 1 TFLOPS... So battery life will be 1 or 2 hours and that's nice to make a other Samsung note 7... Don't forget Nintendo's audience > young public and family....

Why trying to port home games on handheld ? When it's easy to make a home console whose accepting HC and HH games... ?

What is the biggest problème for Nintendo ? Having à lot of games on portable or home console ?

I think home console NX and portable NX will use the same OS, not to have the same games but to have a lots of features together, and if you don't like playing on handheld, you will have its games on home console...



Miyamotoo said:

I dont think they ever had two devices in development, we are talking about January 2013, just few months after Wii U launch, at that time most likely they had just initial theoretical plans about new platform and they just talk about them and analyze them, and in some point later they decided its better to go with hybrid instead of multiple devices. Thats why year later we got Iwata quotes of possibilities of integrated form factor and one device.

Yeah, that's true. Further more, I think we've only heard rumors about two seperate devices once or twice, yes? Most things we hear seem to point towards one hybrid console.



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