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Pokémon Sun and moon predictions

15 million or less 91 39.91%
 
16 million 42 18.42%
 
17 million 19 8.33%
 
18 million 19 8.33%
 
19 million 9 3.95%
 
20 million 24 10.53%
 
21 million 3 1.32%
 
22 million 2 0.88%
 
23 million 1 0.44%
 
24 million or more 18 7.89%
 
Total:228
think-man said:
tbone51 said:

Diamond/Pearl say hello 👋 (18mil which is close to 20mil).

 

Splatoon can it do 3/4/5mil WW lifetime?

Majority of answers including yours bro "New Nintendo IP, wont even hit 1mil". Look where we are now :o

 

Nuvendil said:

Thats a pretty simplistic, narrow look.  Looking at current info, 3DS is performing far stronger than last year and the year before based on best seller lists, Sun and Moon are also trending better than both past 3DS entries in the series.  And we know for a fact that it is the most preordered Nintendo game ever.  And while Pokemon Go has diminished (being now "just" on the level of Candy Crush and Clash of Clans on Android), empirical evidence has proven that it has had a very real effect on 3DS and Pokemon brand strength, driving sales of both.  Those saying it will fail to outsell XY are ignoring all current evidence to the contrary.  And those saying it won't outsell ORAS are, frankly, being ridiculous.

PS:  Those saying the Switch will slow this down, no.  They've kept the 3DS and Switch at arm's length from each other for that reason.

 

Ryng_Tolu said:

Oh ok so this is your big argomentation.

Now stop saying stuff like this and reply to this question: how about Pokémon Sun and Moon pre orders higher than COD in some countries (withouth Japan), and how about the most pre ordered Nintendo game ever.

Guess I was right 😉

Its not done selling yet.... It still has a chance................. A chance....... I'll waitvfor end of year before admiting defeat (by the way xy sold an exra 3mil after year 1)



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Barkley said:
tbone51 said:

Pokemon goes on for awhile. 20mil is looking unlikely now but 18mil is possible

The game had shipped+digital 15.44m by March 31st, so with the 15.91m figure, Between 31st March 2017 and September 30th 2017 Sun & Moon sold 470k, so it's not going to do another 2.09m with the release of ultra s&m if it only sold 470k in the past 6 months without that obstacle.

Wait for holiday period. Mk7 did less than that a couple of times then holiday it didv1.5mil+

 

Xy had a similar effect once as well



tbone51 said:
think-man said:

 

 

Guess I was right 😉

Its not done selling yet.... It still has a chance................. A chance....... I'll waitvfor end of year before admiting defeat (by the way xy sold an exra 3mil after year 1)

With the new editions releasing its legs will be cut short. 



think-man said:
tbone51 said:

Its not done selling yet.... It still has a chance................. A chance....... I'll waitvfor end of year before admiting defeat (by the way xy sold an exra 3mil after year 1)

With the new editions releasing its legs will be cut short. 

Though im not gonna fully disagree with you,  in the past pokemon games have shown to habe tremendous legs. Even after the next installment shows up. Hell even DP/HGSS was selling after 3 or 4 installements came out.

 

Only thing is 3ds is dying so its likely not gonna happen. But if it gets close to it (18mil/19mil) that would be great enough imo



Barkley said:

So I guess now is as good a time as ever to bump this thread, think it's late enough that we can conclusively say the lifetime prediction is wrong.

And it still hasn't sold 16.5m now, so 16.5m in just 2016 was quite the miss.

As of September 30th 2017, Pokemon Sun & Moon sits at 15.91m Shipped+Digital. I think there was another thread predicting if it will outsell x/y, only 300k to go, don't think ultra will completely kill s&m sales but I don't really know, I've never followed a pokemon games sales after it's "enhanced" version release.

It's also interesting to see that 41% underestimated the game in the poll.

This time next year the Pokemon Switch lifetime sales predictions will start.

The game shipped 14.69 million in 2016, so my prediction was only 10% down, that's way better than some 10-12 million prediction you saw. Is not like you can say "the game has not sold 16.5 million right now, so your 2016 prediction was bad" , my prediction was closer than many others and in general, i don't think a 10% off prediction can be that bad lol, this is not how things work. If you wanna talk about my 2016 prediction, use 2016 numbers.

Aaaand, by the way, yes, the game can still sell 20 million lifetime. you said you don't follow Pokémon sales, in general probabily don't follow Nintendo sales, so i don't think you know how Nintendo games sells overall. But thanks for bumping this thread, i almost forgot about it.

 

The game sold a bit less than expected, so right now my 20 million prediction looks a bit exagerate, but it should still easy surpass 18 million, probabily 19 million.

So whatever it sell at the end, is not like i'll care that much about 20 million or not, all i care is that my prediction will be closer than every 15/16 million predictions.

Last edited by Ryng - on 19 November 2017

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Barkley said:

81% you mean, because 16m was the correct choice and the one that will be the closest. Hopefully the second part of your post was sarcasm but I can never tell with you. xD

"because 16m was the correct choise and the one that will be the closest" how? Did the game already stopped selling? the game is at 15.91 million right now, don't worry iit will still sell and surpass that 17 million milestone.

XY has sold 4.7 million after 2013, i think you are singing victory way too soon.



Ryng_Tolu said:
Barkley said:

81% you mean, because 16m was the correct choice and the one that will be the closest. Hopefully the second part of your post was sarcasm but I can never tell with you. xD

"because 16m was the correct choise and the one that will be the closest" how? Did the game already stopped selling? the game is at 15.91 million right now, don't worry iit will still sell and surpass that 17 million milestone.

XY has sold 4.7 million after 2013, i think you are singing victory way too soon.

XY didn't have a third version, therefore it was the newest (non-remake) pokemon game for over 3 years. Sun and Moon has already been replaced by Ultra Sun and Moon, and the 3ds is soon to be phased out.

Doubling down and saying it could still "probably reach 19m" is just digging yourself even further into a hole. Over the past 6 months it's sold 470k. That's 470k while being the newest pokemon game, which is no longer the case. Ultra has made it a redundant game. It is not getting anywhere near another 3.09m sales.

You made a bad prediction, don't follow that with another bad prediction now you actually have data.

"all i care is that my prediction will be closer than every 15/16 million predictions."

it won't be.

 

As for me saying your 16.5m in 2016 prediction was really bad, you're right it wasn't as bad as I thought. I didn't realise how frontloaded the sales were.

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Barkley said:

XY didn't have a third version, therefore it was the newest (non-remake) pokemon game for over 3 years. Sun and Moon has already been replaced by Ultra Sun and Moon, and the 3ds is soon to be phased out.

Doubling down and saying it could still "probably reach 19m" is just digging yourself even further into a hole. Over the past 6 months it's sold 470k. That's 470k while being the newest pokemon game, which is no longer the case. Ultra has made it a redundant game. It is not getting anywhere near another 3.09m sales.

You made a bad prediction, don't follow that with another bad prediction now you actually have data.

"all i care is that my prediction will be closer than every 15/16 million predictions."

it won't be.

 

As for me saying your 16.5m in 2016 prediction was really bad, you're right it wasn't as bad as I thought. I didn't realise how frontloaded the sales were.

I did not made a bad prediction, and the prediction is not over, you are just acting like things are confirmed. I'll call this prediction "bad" if in the end sales are just 16-17 million, if in the end the range is 18-19 million, it clearly won't be bad.

 

You don't have to report me numbers i already know, i know it sold less than 500k in the last 2 quarter but you also have to realize those are sold in numbers and not sold throw, which makes a big difference. The game will sell for years like most Nintendo games, and the fact that 2 new Pokémon games will release doesn't matter that much, so please, go back when the game doesn't sell anymore before saying the prediction was bad.



Ryng_Tolu said:
Barkley said:

XY didn't have a third version, therefore it was the newest (non-remake) pokemon game for over 3 years. Sun and Moon has already been replaced by Ultra Sun and Moon, and the 3ds is soon to be phased out.

Doubling down and saying it could still "probably reach 19m" is just digging yourself even further into a hole. Over the past 6 months it's sold 470k. That's 470k while being the newest pokemon game, which is no longer the case. Ultra has made it a redundant game. It is not getting anywhere near another 3.09m sales.

You made a bad prediction, don't follow that with another bad prediction now you actually have data.

"all i care is that my prediction will be closer than every 15/16 million predictions."

it won't be.

 

As for me saying your 16.5m in 2016 prediction was really bad, you're right it wasn't as bad as I thought. I didn't realise how frontloaded the sales were.

I did not made a bad prediction, and the prediction is not over, you are just acting like things are confirmed. I'll call this prediction "bad" if in the end sales are just 16-17 million, if in the end the range is 18-19 million, it clearly won't be bad.

 

You don't have to report me numbers i already know, i know it sold less than 500k in the last 2 quarter but you also have to realize those are sold in numbers and not sold throw, which makes a big difference. The game will sell for years like most Nintendo games, and the fact that 2 new Pokémon games will release doesn't matter that much, so please, go back when the game doesn't sell anymore before saying the prediction was bad.

Can you post quarter shipments for xy/oras/sm? Also bw and bw2 (if you can) it be interesting to see



tbone51 said:
Ryng_Tolu said:

I did not made a bad prediction, and the prediction is not over, you are just acting like things are confirmed. I'll call this prediction "bad" if in the end sales are just 16-17 million, if in the end the range is 18-19 million, it clearly won't be bad.

 

You don't have to report me numbers i already know, i know it sold less than 500k in the last 2 quarter but you also have to realize those are sold in numbers and not sold throw, which makes a big difference. The game will sell for years like most Nintendo games, and the fact that 2 new Pokémon games will release doesn't matter that much, so please, go back when the game doesn't sell anymore before saying the prediction was bad.

Can you post quarter shipments for xy/oras/sm? Also bw and bw2 (if you can) it be interesting to see

 

   XY ORAS  SM 
Q4 2013 11.610.000    
Q1 2014 12.260.000    
Q2 2014 N/A    
Q3 2014 13.290.000    
Q4 2014 13.700.000 9.350.000  
Q1 2015 13.850.000 9.940.000  
Q2 2015 13.990.000 10.270.000  
Q3 2015 14.150.000 10.690.000  
Q4 2015 14.460.000 11.460.000  
Q1 2016 14.700.000 11.840.000  
Q2 2016 14.980.000 12.240.000  
Q3 2016 15.640.000 13.180.000  
Q4 2016 16.060.000 13.680.000 14.690.000
Q1 2017 16.110.000 13.740.000 15.440.000
Q2 2017 16.150.000 13.790.000 15.670.000
Q3 2017 16.200.000 13.850.000 15.910.000