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If God was real, would you love and worship?

Yes, I would love and worship Him. 49 41.53%
 
No. And would not. 69 58.47%
 
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Eagle367 on 20 October 2016
Final-Fan said:
Eagle367 said:

I am not that intelligent and I know it so I try to learn. Granted the war part was an over exaggeration but your posts in this thread alone show that you believe a lot of things are religion's fault and you believed them arrogantly so there is a rational way to deduce that which I deduced. Deductions aside I don't blame religion or circumstances for what people do because evil is a part of us just like good and in the same situations and circumstances people behave differently this just shows that its the people's fault not their ideology not their beliefs or circumstances but the people themselves. I am not thatthat saint of a person but I have not been tested in a difficult situation nor I presume have you( because you don't seem to have that many problems otherwise a discussion on a gaming site would be the least of your worries) but a lot of people in difficult situations have risen above their evil and hate and a lot have fell flat even in comfortable situations so regardless of if, who or what God is, we were made this way one way or the other and no physical thing in my opinion can change that. 

So, what do you think that I think is religion's fault, and why do you think that I am arrogant in thinking so?  Here's my perspective on your list: 

1.  War - you already admitted you made this up completely
2.  Terrorism - I don't recall speaking of terrorism and religion in this thread, and for the record I don't think "religion" is to blame, per se. 
3.  Stupidity - No. 
4.  Weird rituals - well, I will cop to this one, but religion is far from the only cause of people making up weird rituals.  Don't know why I would be arrogant to think that religion sometimes leads to rituals that to someone else may appear strange or pointless (unless the religious significance is explained to them).  I think evidence backs this up. 
5.  Personal thinking - I guess you mean that I think religion controls your thoughts?  No.  But any indoctrination, religious or not, of a child growing up can lead them to be sorely mistaken about the world if what they have been taught contradicts all evidence.  Example:  Jesus and dinosaurs lived at the same time; dinosaurs were alive as recently as human recorded history.  If you also believe this, well, my argument just got harder but I stand by it
6.  "Evaluations decisions" or individuals - Obviously a person's beliefs on what is true influence their decision making, religious or not.  I don't know what is arrogant about saying this. 

The stupidity of dinosaur threats aside, Let's just end this cause its getting really long. Perhpas i painted you with a broader brush or perhaps i was right, either reason could irk you and let's just put that aside since we are spinning in circles



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Final-Fan on 20 October 2016
Eagle367 said:
Final-Fan said:

So, what do you think that I think is religion's fault, and why do you think that I am arrogant in thinking so?  Here's my perspective on your list: 

1.  War - you already admitted you made this up completely
2.  Terrorism - I don't recall speaking of terrorism and religion in this thread, and for the record I don't think "religion" is to blame, per se. 
3.  Stupidity - No. 
4.  Weird rituals - well, I will cop to this one, but religion is far from the only cause of people making up weird rituals.  Don't know why I would be arrogant to think that religion sometimes leads to rituals that to someone else may appear strange or pointless (unless the religious significance is explained to them).  I think evidence backs this up. 
5.  Personal thinking - I guess you mean that I think religion controls your thoughts?  No.  But any indoctrination, religious or not, of a child growing up can lead them to be sorely mistaken about the world if what they have been taught contradicts all evidence.  Example:  Jesus and dinosaurs lived at the same time; dinosaurs were alive as recently as human recorded history.  If you also believe this, well, my argument just got harder but I stand by it
6.  "Evaluations decisions" or individuals - Obviously a person's beliefs on what is true influence their decision making, religious or not.  I don't know what is arrogant about saying this. 

The stupidity of dinosaur threats aside, Let's just end this cause its getting really long. Perhpas i painted you with a broader brush or perhaps i was right, either reason could irk you and let's just put that aside since we are spinning in circles

I have no idea what you mean by "threat" and I think spinning in circles is far from the truth, but if you want to quit the debate I cannot and will not demand that you stay. 



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Eagle367 on 21 October 2016
Final-Fan said:
Eagle367 said:

The stupidity of dinosaur threats aside, Let's just end this cause its getting really long. Perhpas i painted you with a broader brush or perhaps i was right, either reason could irk you and let's just put that aside since we are spinning in circles

I have no idea what you mean by "threat" and I think spinning in circles is far from the truth, but if you want to quit the debate I cannot and will not demand that you stay. 

I don't know why I wrote threat, cause I think I meant thread but I don't remember. If you feel like this discussion will be productive for either one of us, do tell!



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Final-Fan on 21 October 2016
Eagle367 said:
Final-Fan said:

I have no idea what you mean by "threat" and I think spinning in circles is far from the truth, but if you want to quit the debate I cannot and will not demand that you stay. 

I don't know why I wrote threat, cause I think I meant thread but I don't remember. If you feel like this discussion will be productive for either one of us, do tell!

Well, for one thing, I specifically addressed each point in your list and wanted to hear from you about the ones other than war.  I wanted to know if there were any other ones that you still stood by, and what you think of my responses.  I think that would be productive in that we would better understand each other's positions.  If half of our disagreements are just due to misconceptions about what the other guy actually stands for, then that's a pretty easy way to get halfway to agreeing with each other.  That's something this country (or this world, if you're not from the USA) could use more of. 



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Eagle367 on 22 October 2016
Final-Fan said:
Eagle367 said:

I don't know why I wrote threat, cause I think I meant thread but I don't remember. If you feel like this discussion will be productive for either one of us, do tell!

Well, for one thing, I specifically addressed each point in your list and wanted to hear from you about the ones other than war.  I wanted to know if there were any other ones that you still stood by, and what you think of my responses.  I think that would be productive in that we would better understand each other's positions.  If half of our disagreements are just due to misconceptions about what the other guy actually stands for, then that's a pretty easy way to get halfway to agreeing with each other.  That's something this country (or this world, if you're not from the USA) could use more of. 

I'll tell you my view precisely. I am Muslim and don't feel I should identify myself as sunni or shia or anything, just Muslim. I believe everyone can believe anything and should not be punished for it on the basis of that alone. The very fact, according to me, is belief means not proven and if something is proven, then it becomes knowledge. Since the Supreme One cannot be proven by mortal means i.e physics so one can only believe He exists or not. The knowing part will come when we die to know who was right and if we don't feel anything then atheists were right otherwise my after-life fate will decide what happens. I don't think religion cultivates stupidity but the stupid like to use it as a tool and I believe the terrorists just want power and spreading propaganda when they shout Allah Huakbar. These people just use religion. Other than that this world seems too stupid for me to wnt to live here long. Humans can do so much but don't so yeah



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Majora on 22 October 2016

Why would I choose to love and worship him? Why do you love and worship him? Please note this is not an attack, I'm genuinely interested in your reasoning :)



Majora on 22 October 2016

Why would I choose to love and worship him? Why do you love and worship him? Please note this is not an attack, I'm genuinely interested in your reasoning :)



Final-Fan on 22 October 2016
Majora said:
Why would I choose to love and worship him? Why do you love and worship him? Please note this is not an attack, I'm genuinely interested in your reasoning :)

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