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Ok so after this thread was closed the first time over links,  and after being personally attacked in this thread, i have added links to a number of things contained in the post and a number of other links to this story.

but i thought it was very good read so ill post it here and you guys can come to your own conclusion.

" How quickly we forget! If you’re over 35, take a walk with me down memory lane—you won’t believe what you have forgotten. If you’re under 35, read on—I promise you that you will be amazed at what you missed! (By the way, sadly, this isn’t a joke. I wish it was.)

REMEMBER WHEN BILL CLINTON WAS PRESIDENT?
(January 20, 1993 to January 20, 2001—two terms)

When Bill Clinton was president, he allowed Hillary to assume authority over an attempt to reform health care. LINK: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_health_care_plan_of_1993

Her proposed plan was so bad that many Democrats came up with competing plans of their own in protest, and in spite of threats and intimidation, on September 26, 1994, the “Hillarycare” bill was declared dead.LINK: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_health_care_plan_of_1993

This fiasco cost the American taxpayers about $13 million for studies, promotion, and other efforts. LINK: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_health_care_plan_of_1993

Then, President Clinton gave Hillary authority over selecting a female attorney general. Her first two selections were Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood—both were forced to withdraw their names from consideration.

Next, she chose Janet Reno, which husband Bill described as "my worst mistake."

(Some may not remember that Reno made the decision to gas David Koresh and the Branch Davidian religious sect in Waco, Texas resulting in dozens of deaths of women and children.) LINK: http://www.serendipity.li/waco.html

You guys can say whatever you want about this but the is a number of conflicting storys so who to believe?. We know for a fact the has been cover ups before.

Husband Bill also allowed Hillary to make recommendations for the head of the Civil Rights Commission—Lani Guanier was her selection.


After considerable backlash from prominent Democratic senators concerning Ms. Guanier's radical views, Bill Clinton withdrew her name from nomination, LINK: http://www.nytimes.com/1993/06/05/opinion/the-lani-guinier-mess.html

stating that she did not represents the civil rights views that he had championed during his campaign.

However, apparently a slow learner, husband Bill continued to allow Hillary to make more recommendations.

She chose former law partners, Web Hubbel for the Justice Department , Vince Foster for the White House staff, and William Kennedy for the Treasury Department.

Her selections went well: Hubbel went to prison https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webster_Hubbell,

Foster (presumably) committed suicide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vince_Foster ,

and Kennedy was forced to resign http://articles.latimes.com/1994-03-24/news/mn-37899_1_white-house-aide.

(Is anyone wondering yet what her Supreme Court Justice appointments would be like?)

Many younger voters will have no knowledge of "Travelgate," the first major ethics controversy during Bill’s presidency. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_travel_office_controversy

Hillary wanted to award unfettered travel contracts to Clinton friend, Harry Thompson—but the White House Travel Office refused to comply.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_travel_office_controversy

She trumped up allegations of financial mismanagement and reported seven long-time White House employees to the FBI. This ruined their reputations, got them fired, and caused a thirty-six month investigation.

Eventually, most of the employees were reinstated and Clinton associates were forced out of the travel office. Only one White House employee, Billy Dale, was charged with a crime—the enormous crime of mixing personal and White House funds; a jury acquitted him in less than two hours.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_travel_office_controversy

Still not convinced of her ineptness, Hillary was allowed to recommend a close Clinton friend, Craig Livingstone, for the position of Director of White House Security.

When Livingstone was investigated for the improper access of about 900 FBI files of Clinton enemies (Filegate) and the widespread use of drugs by White House staff, suddenly Hillary and the President denied even knowing Livingstone, and of course, denied knowledge of drug use in the White House. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_FBI_files_controversy

Following this debacle, the FBI closed its White House Liaison Office after more than thirty years of service to seven presidents.

Next, when women started coming forward with allegations of sexual harassment and rape by Bill Clinton, Hillary was put in charge of the "bimbo eruption" and scandal defense.

Let’s look at some of her more notable decisions in this regard . . .

She urged her husband not to settle the Paula Jones lawsuit. After the Starr investigation, they settled with Ms. Jones. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paula_Jones

She refused to release the Whitewater documents, which led to the appointment of Ken Starr as Special Prosecutor.http://www.judicialwatch.org/bulletins/whitewater-documents-the-criminal-case-against-hillary-clinton/

After $80 million dollars of taxpayer money was spent, Starr's investigation led to Monica Lewinsky, which led to Bill lying about and later admitting his affairs.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monica_Lewinsky

Hillary's devious game plan resulted in Bill losing his license to practice law for 'lying under oath' to a grand jury, followed by his subsequent impeachment by the House of Representatives. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton

Hillary avoided indictment for perjury and obstruction of justice during the Starr investigation by repeating, "I do not recall," "I have no recollection," and "I don't know" a total of 56 times while under oath. (Sound familiar?)

After leaving the White House, Hillary was forced to return an estimated $200,000 in White House furniture, china, and artwork that she had "mistakenly thought was hers." LINK: http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/oct/01/viral-image/viral-image-wrongly-accuses-clinton-stealing/

Ok so no one knows the real estimate since the clintions devalued a lot of their "Gifts" to be much lower then they are really worth. It still doesnt change it..


So you see, the email scandal and all of her malfeasance regarding the handling of Top Secret information, not to mention the "pay to play" schemes of the Clinton Foundation, are nothing new.

Hillary’s entire political career has been nothing but a web of lies, corruption and destruction in her quest for power.

Is anyone else ready to say, “Enough is enough!”?

But unfortunately, I’m sure her loyal fans will say, "What difference does it make?"

So no tell me is this enough fact checking for you?.

I bolded the best parts but as you can see thats pretty much the whole post O_O .
I like the idea of change and its sad what the US presidents have come to.
However if i was a USA citizen id sooner take my chances with Trump then be stuck with another Bush/Obama regment for another 4 years.
Dont you USA guys and girls know that you will of been under them puppets (lets face it they aint the ones in power) masters control for another 4 years?,
so whats that almost 12 or more years now?.
Do you guys not think its time for a change? time to try something new?,
Sure the unknown is scary but imo the Known of what we know is even more scary.
I remember the was a time people used to look to the USA as a great leading country,
Everyone wanted to move to the usa even me as a kid it was one of my dreams.
However now when people talk of the USA its like a Joke. No longer is it a place me or many others want to visit and its thanks to who has been your guys leaders for the last 12 or so years.
So imo i think you usa dudes need to try something new.

 


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i agree



"Edit"

This has been removed since it was a mis understanding and hopefully has been sorted now.



Wow Trump supporters....Sorry but anyone voting for him needs to wake the F up. you really want the whole world to burn don't you?.



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Last time a Clinton was in office:
The US debt was much smaller, it was a happier time, economy was better all around, there were less wars.



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Number of days to reach 80M from 70M : 227 days

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Naum said:
Wow Trump supporters....

Whats that meant to mean?.

You care point out where trump has done half the things mentioned about?.

We get some locker room talk from buys and it blows up into a big deal but oh no helping your husband get away with rape and all the other shit she did doesnt matter. Just look at all her past mistakes and her choices. Do you really believe this woman is now fit enough to make right choices??.



zero129 said:
And before Star Ocean locks this thread like my other one and accuses me of trolling again. and then warn me with a ban remember this. If that happens this site is pro hillary and wants to shut up anything anti hillary.
Im not trolling its that simple i want to bring descusion and they are in the right place on the forum. Im not just posting the threads and walking away from them im debating in them also.

You are a shit-poster.  Your source is "someone on Facebook".  If this gets locked, it's because your threads are childish and poorly constructed.  If you actually wanted to foster discussion then you'd have real sources which you took the time to check first.  

Looks to me like you're throwing garbage up on the forums so they'll get locked and you can claim some kind of conspiracy.

 

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pokoko said:
zero129 said:
And before Star Ocean locks this thread like my other one and accuses me of trolling again. and then warn me with a ban remember this. If that happens this site is pro hillary and wants to shut up anything anti hillary.
Im not trolling its that simple i want to bring descusion and they are in the right place on the forum. Im not just posting the threads and walking away from them im debating in them also.

You are a shit-poster.  Your source is "someone on Facebook".  If this gets locked, it's because your threads are childish and poorly constructed.  If you actually wanted to foster discussion then you'd have real sources which you took the time to check first.  

Looks to me like you're throwing garbage up on the forums so they'll get locked and you can claim some kind of conspiracy.

Garbage as to what?. This might of come from a facebook page but this woman has some real points that you can very easy fact check.

It changes nothing of what she said but your reply to me shows the qaulity of your posts .



zero129 said:
Naum said:
Wow Trump supporters....

Whats that meant to mean?.

You care point out where trump has done half the things mentioned about?.

We get some locker room talk from buys and it blows up into a big deal but oh no helping your husband get away with rape and all the other shit she did doesnt matter. Just look at all her past mistakes and her choices. Do you really believe this woman is now fit enough to make right choices??.

Shes been refered to by many as perphaps the most qualified ever to run for president.

So yes.

 

Your source for all these weird claims is random poster on facebook? yeap that sounds like its legit and fact checked. Theres no way any of that could be wrong or madeup by some angry trump supporter? Im too lazy to even look into it, but Im going to go ahead and assume most if not all of that is just made up craziness.



Number of days to reach 50M from 40M : 198 days
Number of days to reach 60M from 50M : 187 days
Number of days to reach 70M from 60M : 175 days
Number of days to reach 80M from 70M : 227 days

Necro-bump this 2020: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=229249

JRPGfan said:
zero129 said:

Whats that meant to mean?.

You care point out where trump has done half the things mentioned about?.

We get some locker room talk from buys and it blows up into a big deal but oh no helping your husband get away with rape and all the other shit she did doesnt matter. Just look at all her past mistakes and her choices. Do you really believe this woman is now fit enough to make right choices??.

Shes been refered to by many as perphaps the most qualified ever to run for president.

So yes.

And who exactly is "This Many"? paid for people? other puppets of the system that you guys have been stuck in for the last 12+ years?.

You guys cry for change etc but then when change comes you run back to the same old same old.