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Lol, people have funny ways of thinking of things. Sometimes with too much heart. Since they hate the two candidates, they actually say, joking or not, that they miss Bush. You forget that under Bush's administration, we were led into the single biggest recession since the Great Depression. We started a war that really has not reason to ever have existed. Not going to go into the conspiracy theories, I am sure both sides will say whatever, but as far as documented reasons go, we were wrong.

Almost everything related to the economy that you GWB fans want to blame Obama for rose out of that war. And no matter what anyone says about the economy now and health insurance (neither are even close to perfect), living in the US actually sucked during the second four years of Bush's stay in the office, because people were losing jobs, houses, companies and more. That terrible time lead to the first four years that sucked under Obama.

Wake up, The last three republican presidents have been bad for our country. Reaganomics was a big fat lie which coincidently lines up well to the timing of the middle class shrinking while the lower class has only grown. Everyone likes to blame Clinton on Nafta, and even though he did sign it, that policy was birthed at the very end of George Senior's administration. Go figure. And I already just described Bush.

Meanwhile Bill Clinton was the last president (and the first one in years) to balance the federal budget and erase the deficit. Obama took us out of a recession and now we actually have job growth, economy growth, and social growth like never before. He did what several presidents couldn't with universal healthcare and gay marriage. How perfect either has been is debatable, but these really will be remembered many generations to come. And Hillary has so much experience and a person whose already done the job as a spouse to support her.

If you'd put away your rose tinted glasses and look at the facts, you'd realize that our country is probably going to be better off with the democratic party leading the oval office. That's just the way it's worked for the last 30 plus years on almost every measurable metric.



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"job growth, economy growth, and social growth like never before"

Obama has created less jobs then Clinton and Reagan with a much higher population.



Economic growth has been sub 2% while it was avg well over 3.5% in the past.

 



Household wealth has hardly grown in the past decade compared to constant growth in the past.



All measures are below Clinton and Reagan.

They are up and it is a good news story but stop hyping things up like its a drake concert.



Machiavellian said:
Soundwave said:

Bill Clinton isn't running for president in the 2016 election. That's basically where that false equivalency (something Trump backers have a bad habit of falling into), and if he was and his sexual escapades were known of before hand it probably would cost a chance at the presidency.

Only in this case the shoe is on Trump's foot and he is busted on tape. It's not just an "outrageous" thing he says either, he's basically admitting to having sexual assaulted women in the past on tape. 

An "outrageous" thing to say would be to talk about a woman's figure or call her a hot piece of ass or whatever else he's done, but this was getting into some real Bill Cosby territory. 

It’s interesting when people defend Trump and what he stated as nothing more than how men talk.  I know from my own history being a person who love the sight of a women, I have probably said many things that would make my wife eyes pop out but never has it every been close to sexually grouping women without their permission.

It’s one thing to say something like this in your 20s but he was in his 60s when he stated that.  Also it shed some pretty damming light on the sexual harassment lawsuits and the 13 year old girl rape case he has pending.  Hell you even have more recent stuff with him on the Apprentice where he pretty much exhibited the same behavior.

As you stated it’s one thing to calling women hot or say you would like to tap that etc.  It's another thing to talk about doing what Trump stated which no matter how you look at it makes him seem like a sexual predator.

One thing for sure is that this tap is nothing new.  I believe we all know the type of character Trump is because the body of work you can easily look up has painted this picture long before this video came out.  As for the Republican that is calling for him to step down, we know what that means.  Its face saving time.  The ship is sinking and the rats are leaving early.  Hell, you can say they were looking or wanting more damning stuff about Trump to have a reason to bail.  I am sure Ted Cruz is kicking himself for not holding out longer.

You haven't been to my Middle School lockers then... 



jcmmnx said:
Hillary has done far worse by putting national security at risk.

She wins and you can start digging yourself a Bunker... 

~ Vladimir Putin

Why do you think Russia started its military buildup after Trump started plummeting again? 



AsGryffynn said:

konnichiwa said:

Is it too late to visit him and beg for forgiveness? 

Is it too late to give back the lives lost by the war he started without proof? 

Think about the things you say. 



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Nem said:
AsGryffynn said:

Is it too late to visit him and beg for forgiveness? 

Is it too late to give back the lives lost by the war he started without proof? 

Think about the things you say. 

*Points to the woman we're getting for president... * 

Seriously, at this point, this is the only thing allowing me to sleep knowing Hillary won't keep his position for long... 



LadyJasmine said:

"job growth, economy growth, and social growth like never before"

Obama has created less jobs then Clinton and Reagan with a much higher population.

Economic growth has been sub 2% while it was avg well over 3.5% in the past.

Household wealth has hardly grown in the past decade compared to constant growth in the past.

All measures are below Clinton and Reagan.

They are up and it is a good news story but stop hyping things up like its a drake concert.

1) Jobs: The comparison doesn't really work when you do it directly. For one, Obama did come in during a significant downturn, so he did have to contend with jobs lost at the beginning of his term, which was about 4.5million from February 2009 to 2010. Additionally, we have an aging population, so we understandably have a good deal of people leaving the labor market. That is why we tend to use unemployment numbers to discuss this type of thing. While those numbers aren't perfect, they do show that the current unemployment of the country falls pretty closely in line with what would be expected, which is a good thing seeing how he inherited an extremely high unemployment rate of around 10% and has brought it down to about 5%.

2) Economic Growth: Again, there are some issues with talking about average economic growth when factoring in the tail end of the recession, however there are much bigger issues here. This is actually a global phenomena, much bigger than Obama and much bigger than the US. There isn't really any magic bullet to these issues, and they certainly weren't caused by the decisions of one man. 

3) Wage growth: It is true that wage growth has been slow and difficult, however again, we are coming off the tail of a pretty huge recession. These things don't change overnight, and while it has taken a while, it seems we reached the point where the results of the economic turnaround are finally being passed to most Americans. From 2014 to 2015 we saw the largest one year increase in median household earnings on record (5.2%) (and this was distributed fairly evenly across all demographics) as well as poverty falling 1.2% YOY, which is the largest decrease since 1968. 

In context, I don't think I can complain.



Mr Puggsly said:
Bandorr said:

That may be the most horrifying, disgusting, and frightening thing I have ever read.  Steven king has nothing on that.

So even if donald trump raped a 13 year old,  sexually assaulted numerous women, and harassed countless others - you'd actually vote for someone?

Its a reflection of how little faith I have in the left wing party. Again, I believe we vote for parties and not candidates. If we had Hilary in 2008 the end was result would have likely been similar to what we have now.

Frankly, if Trump really did all that stuff... I don't think he would even be running. So its not really worth discussing. I'm just stressing how opposed I am to the dems at the moment.

The problem is that the Repubs are just as bad.  They talk a *tiny* bit better about economic matters, but the stuff they do while in office is equal to Democrats.  

You couldn't pay me to vote for either Trump or Clinton.  Thankfully, we have other choices.  I'll be voting for Johnson.



Mr Puggsly said:
Normchacho said:

The ACA provides coverage to about 90% of the people living in the United States. The remaining 10% of people living in America can't get coverage because 

1. They aren't here legally and are therefor uneligible.

2. Fall into the "Medicad Gap" because their States opted out.

3. Decided it was either cheaper to just pay the fine, or didn't know they were supposed to have health insurance.

4. Were exempt from the requirement for one reason or another.

The ACA certainly hasn't been perfect, and has made it more difficult for a lot of people to get the same quality of health insurance as they had before the bill passed. But it's also done good things like making sure someone with a pre-existing condition can't be denied health insurance, and allowed about 16 million more people to get health insurance in the first place. Droping the rate of uninsured Americans from 17.6%, to 10.9%

Beyond that, Americans are pretty evenly split in their opinion of the ACA. Recent polling by Gallup suggests that 49% disaprove of the law, while 47% approve of the law. That, as Gallup points out, is within their margin of error.

Has the ACA been perfect? Of course not. Has it been as good as many of it's supporters had hoped it would be? No, not really. Has it been as bad as it's detractors said it would be? Not even close. Has it been a total disaster? No.

As I've said before, if you're poor or in some other situation that allows you to get it free. That's going to account for a high percentage of people that love it.

If you're a normal working person that doesn't exactly make a lot of money, you very likely hate it. Before ACA a lot of us were paying significantly less for coverage, which is ironic given the name. What I'm essentially saying its been a burden on the average working person.

The ACA had caused my premium to increase 430% for coverage that is still slightly worse than the mediocre stuff I had before.  Nowadays, because of my high deductible, I see the doctor far less often than I used to.  So, the ACA has had a direct negative impact on the quality of my Healthcare and the money in my walllet.



sundin13 said:
LadyJasmine said:

"job growth, economy growth, and social growth like never before"

Obama has created less jobs then Clinton and Reagan with a much higher population.

Economic growth has been sub 2% while it was avg well over 3.5% in the past.

Household wealth has hardly grown in the past decade compared to constant growth in the past.

All measures are below Clinton and Reagan.

They are up and it is a good news story but stop hyping things up like its a drake concert.

1) Jobs: The comparison doesn't really work when you do it directly. For one, Obama did come in during a significant downturn, so he did have to contend with jobs lost at the beginning of his term, which was about 4.5million from February 2009 to 2010. Additionally, we have an aging population, so we understandably have a good deal of people leaving the labor market. That is why we tend to use unemployment numbers to discuss this type of thing. While those numbers aren't perfect, they do show that the current unemployment of the country falls pretty closely in line with what would be expected, which is a good thing seeing how he inherited an extremely high unemployment rate of around 10% and has brought it down to about 5%.

2) Economic Growth: Again, there are some issues with talking about average economic growth when factoring in the tail end of the recession, however there are much bigger issues here. This is actually a global phenomena, much bigger than Obama and much bigger than the US. There isn't really any magic bullet to these issues, and they certainly weren't caused by the decisions of one man. 

3) Wage growth: It is true that wage growth has been slow and difficult, however again, we are coming off the tail of a pretty huge recession. These things don't change overnight, and while it has taken a while, it seems we reached the point where the results of the economic turnaround are finally being passed to most Americans. From 2014 to 2015 we saw the largest one year increase in median household earnings on record (5.2%) (and this was distributed fairly evenly across all demographics) as well as poverty falling 1.2% YOY, which is the largest decrease since 1968. 

In context, I don't think I can complain.

 

As I said that is why saing 'its the best its ever been' is an absurd statement to make.

 

saying things are up is more accurate :) 

 

 

But if things were so Good I doubt Bernie would have rosen through the ranks and that Trump be so popular.