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Where is this "free world" referred to in the OP?



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KingCherry said:

England, top benefit claimants by country of Birth: Somali, Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Indian, Nigerian... Do you see the problem there?

What I see is that most of these countries were part of the "British Empire". So the exploitation of these (and a lot of other) countries by the British in the past helped England to become a "world power". Perhaps it is time to give something back. ;)



Wyrdness said:
sethnintendo said:

Doesn't help when they migrate to another country and refuse to integrate into the society.  I can understand why they want to keep their traditions but they could still integrate better.

The majority have though that's the problem, the media and various groups only focus on the minority who don't.

Also could be a problem of the western countries on how they let them settle in the country.  France and Belgium congregate them into boroughs thus problably leaving many to feel like they are and always will be outsiders.  Perhaps it would be better if they were more dispersed across a city or country rather than grouped together in a small area.



Ka-pi96 said:
Eagle367 said:

That's what you are saying now but when a white supremist Christian terrorist attacks a family planning clinic, its all he was a mentally unstable individual. Of course he was, cause all terrorists are mentally unstable. Even when a white Christian terrorist shoots and kills Muslims. The world knows the media spin the west applies. Like blaming everything on either Muslims, or Russia.

Yeah but this is a thread about Europe and the christian nutjobs typically aren`t in Europe...

Ex ellent divergence. You don't answer the question but skim over it. If I research, I'm sure to find all sorts of nutjobs in  Europe as well that are not so called muslims. Besides thes scumy people kill more off muslims then anyone else. Have you evr thought about that? It's like you claim to fight for the glory of the USA and start killing USA citizens and soldiers, and of course the occasional foreigner. and after killing every person you shout "USA" as if to let them know that you don't need to research me, just believe I'm american. I am not christian but to discredit christians and if I was a nutjob, then I'd kill people and shout as loud as possible "For Jesus Christ, The Lord and The Holy ghost" or something and wear the cross necklace so I can easily be associated as a  christian



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Eagle367 said:
Lawlight said:

Pretty sure female genital mutilation is most common among muslims in African countries.

Only Africans do it for their cultural reasons. No one else does

You mean Afican Muslims? And Indonesia and Yemen, which aren't African countries.



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Lawlight said:
Eagle367 said:

Only Africans do it for their cultural reasons. No one else does

You mean Afican Muslims? And Indonesia and Yemen, which aren't African countries.

I don't think indonesians and yemenis do this. Also African christians do it as well. But it sure as hell has got nothing to do with religion. The ignorance of the masses is something you can't control and these practices are due to ignorance about almost everything including science and religion



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Azuren said:
I don't think religion should be mentioned unless the attacker claims that religion as a motive. I'm not even worried about their ethnicity so much as I am a motive.

I'd say quite the opposite - when they claim religion as the motive is precisely when you should refuse to talk about that (not that I think it's relevant in other cases).

When the media reports that a terrorist did their act for a specific reason, they're actually contributing to the exact fear that the terrorists were trying to create. The whole point of terrorism is to achieve political goals through violence and fear - if the people don't know what the act was done for, they can't react in the way that the terrorists wanted them to.

Muslim terrorists WANT the world to be scared of muslims. They WANT people to alienate muslims. Why? Because it increases the power of the terrorists - it swells their numbers. It becomes a recruitment tool - they go to younger muslims in the various countries, who are now feeling incredibly alienated from their own countrymen, and say "If you join with us, you'll feel like you belong - look at those people around you that hate you just for your beliefs; you belong with us, not them", and that's how they end up recruiting.

This doesn't mean the information shouldn't be available, but it shouldn't be broadcast.



Fei-Hung said:
Forgot to say, the free world has never been free for a good few millenia if not more. We live under the Illusion of freedom and democracy. It may not be as screwed up as the middle east or North Korea, but we have our problems - not better or worse, but certainly issues that are getting worse.

Take my city Leicester. 4-5 years ago the child poverty in the city hit around 80k. This is in a city and county of about 680k. This number doesn't include adults. Secondly, Leicester was not the worst hit as they are towns and cities which are worse.

citing poverty levels does not support your claim that "..the free world has never been free for a good few millenia if not more. We live under the Illusion of freedom and democracy".

just thought you should know that what you wrote makes no sense and as such people will read it as non-sense.



Poverty and crime are not exactly a new thing in the UK. You don't have to look back more than a few decades to see times FAR worse than today on multiple fronts. Go back a century, and the UK was in the middle of a dark age where people were crammed into mines and factories for 14 hours a day before going to their filthy homes with their 26 other people, and then dying of tuberculosis by the age of 45. Open sewage systems, lack of skills, and general filth and disease plagued the United Kingdom.

It wasn't until social laws and reforms came into place that the UK was lifted out of the shitmare it had become. These new social reforms improved the standard of living drastically in every single country that adopted them, and that's why we have a first world today. Ignoring history, ignoring reason, and logic, and instead making the assumption that your first world life is a living hell because of people of different skin colour than your own, is about the most decadent, ignorant, and stupid-minded conclusion that one could come to.

The reality is that your standard of life is much higher than it would have been a few decades ago. You don't need to work 100 hours a week to even afford a group rent rate and a meal of turnips and potatoes, you have access to healthcare, vehicles, education, clean water, transportation, internal plumbing. All stuff you now take for granted and think your life is shit because you don't have even more. The truth is you're never going to be happy, because there's nothing anyone can do to satisfy you. Getting rid of all the brown people isn't going to make your life any better, it will just push one thing out of your decadent life so it can be replaced by another illogical problem you feel you have.



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LadyJasmine said:
However why aren't small number of Sikhs, Hindus and Buddhists and many other groups engaging in large scale Religious violence on to others while living in the west. 

Because there are about 7.5 million Hindus, 6 million Buddhists, and 2 million Sikhs outside of Asia, compared with somewhere around 500-600 million Muslims.

Because they aren't being alienated by the media and by bigots (at least, not nearly to a similar degree - and usually the bigots target them because they think they're muslims).

Because the countries that are the most "symbolic" to Muslims (such as Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc) are being actively oppressed by their governments, which have been routinely supported by various western nations, while those for the other groups aren't nearly so poorly-treated.

Because too many leaders, both Muslim and non-Muslim, use fear as a tool to gain support, and the issues of "Islamic" terrorism and "western" oppression (both of which are rather extreme misrepresentations) are particularly effective tools to that end.

Because we're stuck in a downward spiral, where the reaction to terrorism is to ramp up the very conditions that create terrorists, and so the "Islamic" terrorism ends up resulting in more of the same. The conditions, by the way, are poverty, oppression, and inadequate education.

 

I'm not going to claim that Islamic scripture (more often the various Hadith, rather than the Quran itself) isn't contributing to the problem... but this can happen with just about any religious text. Heck, there are "Buddhist" terrorists in Sri Lanka and in Myanmar who use Buddhist teachings to justify their terrorism (and Buddhism explicitly bans violence and "taking of life"). The conditions above simply aren't there for the other religions at this time, to turn it into a worldwide problem.

And the solution, by the way, is to reverse those conditions - we need to deal with the oppressive governments, lift people out of poverty, ensure good and widespread access to quality education, and stop playing into terrorists' hands, by refusing to allow their actions to impact life, refusing to allow fear to spread.