PwerlvlAmy said:
Haha exactly. Pretty much the bolded. People keep switching the wording around or adding in their own words to fit their specific argument rather than focus on what the actual quote really is |
So true. The hybrid agenda is real.
PwerlvlAmy said:
They simply cant afford to repeat Wii U's mistakes of releasing an under powered console that cant run third party games. It has to be PS4 level or bust imo |
I disagree. Being around the Xbox One would be enough to ensure multiplatforms/3rd party games. Having two consoles around the same performance level would ensure that.
| PwerlvlAmy said: People can deny it all they want but for Nintendo to continue in the console market, they need third party and yes even COD and Fifa,I'm not a fan of those franchises, but they still need those games.
Less games is not a positive |
100% agreed.
You buy a console for the games... If a large chunk of games (Multi-platforms) aren't on your console, then you likely won't buy it.
And Nintendo needs to get every leg-up they can possibly get.
| teigaga said: We have to acknowledge several things. 1. Most people who want to play third games favour Playstation and Xbox platforms for these games as a result of a decade old relationship & marketing (2 decades for playstation users). PS4/X1 have established themselves in the minds of consumers for big franchises, Nintendo is not undoing that mid generation without a miracle. This is without even bringing up the question of online membership/ecosystem. |
I think this generation will be a little different than last generation... The Wii U launched at a time last generation where things felt like they were in decline...
This generation is likely to be extended due to no viable manufacturing for monolothic chips at 7nm until 2019 minimum. (2020 being the realistic number most likely.)
Plus we have Scorpio and the Playstation 4 Pro to satiate peoples needs for better graphics for the near future.
| teigaga said: 2. Going by last gen numbers, around 40-50% of this generations userbase will have already picked up a PS4/Xbox One by the time the NX is out. Why on earth would they waste money getting an NX home console just to play the literal the same games, with the same graphics as the console they already have at home? For those yet to purchase a console, why would they lock themselves out of the online ecosystem their friends are a part of? Who are they going to play Fifa and COD with on NX when 80% of their friends own a PS4/X1. |
The idea is, to give people a reason not to fire up their Playstation or Xbox, but keep people in your own ecosystem.
If you buy a Nintendo console, then you will likely own another platform to supplement it, having multiplatform support removes that need.
Besides, the Wii U had a higher proportion of exclusives vs multiplatforms, obviously having such a large amount of exclusives wasn't a guarentee of success was it?
Less games is not an advtanage as PwerlvlAmy so eloquently states. (Which is true.)
| sam987 said: What about 2 separate gpu's that if connected together act as one gpu? |
It's ineffecient, but entirely possible. However it will drive up costs... As you need more than just a second chip. For example, you will need to double your Ram for the GPU portion as SLI duplicates the data, not shares it between graphics processors.
bunchanumbers said:
Nintendo has a patent for a supplemental computing device. You plug it into your console, and it increases cpu, memory, and graphics. At least if memory serves. I could be wrong on the cpu part. Nintendo has the groundwork laid for it. Who knows if they will use it though and what kind of power increase we'll see. |
Patents aren't a guarentee of seeing a technology/idea implemented, many companies will cook up patents as a defense mechanism to keep litigators at bay.
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Pemalite said:
I disagree. Being around the Xbox One would be enough to ensure multiplatforms/3rd party games. Having two consoles around the same performance level would ensure that.
100% agreed.
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Ya just like Wii U being around the power of PS3/360 helped it get Anarchy Reigns, Devil May Cry, Dead Space 3, Colonial Marines, Crysis 3, Revengeance, MLB 2k13, Tomb Raider, Army of Two: Devil's Cartel, Bioshock Infinite, PGA Tour 14, Dead Island: Riptide, Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen, Metro: Last Light, Fuse, Grid 2, Remember Me, NCAA Football 14, Payday 2, Saints Row IV, XCOM Desclassified, Lost Planet 3, Madden 25, Diablo 3, NHL 14, Grand Theft Auto V, FIFA 14, NBA 2k14, F1 2013, Battlefield 4, WWE 2k14, Need for Speed: Rivals........
When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.
man, if this thing is really $450 and sub par to xb1 in power, then it had BETTER be two consoles with a unified OS. that's a pretty high price if it were to just be a handheld with a perephieral. Can you imagine buying a gameboy advanced and a gameboy player for $350 back in the day? that'd been rediculous.
zorg1000 said:
Ya just like Wii U being around the power of PS3/360 helped it get Anarchy Reigns, Devil May Cry, Dead Space 3, Colonial Marines, Crysis 3, Revengeance, MLB 2k13, Tomb Raider, Army of Two: Devil's Cartel, Bioshock Infinite, PGA Tour 14, Dead Island: Riptide, Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen, Metro: Last Light, Fuse, Grid 2, Remember Me, NCAA Football 14, Payday 2, Saints Row IV, XCOM Desclassified, Lost Planet 3, Madden 25, Diablo 3, NHL 14, Grand Theft Auto V, FIFA 14, NBA 2k14, F1 2013, Battlefield 4, WWE 2k14, Need for Speed: Rivals........ |
To be fair... Everyone was fixated with the next gen consoles during a large portion of the Wii U's life.
Plus the Wii U's sales rate was never significant, allot of games that could have been ported over likely got canned.
It's one thing to port a game over, another when it's not financially feasible to do so.
The Wii U obviously had other issues other than just it's game library.
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Pemalite said:
To be fair... Everyone was fixated with the next gen consoles during a large portion of the Wii U's life. |
Its a very similar situation.
Wii U was a PS3/360 level console when PS4/XBO were on the way.
NX will be a XBO/PS4 level console when Pro/Scorpio just released/on the way.
What makes you think mulitplats are going to sell significantly better on NX than they did on Wii U?
By the time NX releases PS4/XBO will have sold over 80 million with the majority of the shooter/sports/action crowd already having jumped over from PS3/360, what will make these people switch to NX?
Going forward, why will people looking for a console choose NX over PS4/XBO which have established libraries and large online communites for the big games?
Why will people looking for the best versions of games choose NX over Pro or Scorpio?
There really isnt a scenario that allows for multiplats to sell substantial numbers or being system sellers for NX.
When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.
Mar1217 said:
You mean the handheld-hybrid you can just hook on your tv with just like that ? I thought that you would have understand that such a basic concept has already been done(tks Morpheus) and is most likely something Nintendo wouldn't do because it's nothing innovative or even a good incentive to be bought by the mass market as of now. By the way, have you something else to support your claim, cause you already repeated me the same argument a few times now. Until the reveal, everything will still be specualtion based on rumors so yeaaah .... good luck to find the ''truth'' in this mess. |
Relly!? What exactly concept you have on console market when you have one product that gave to you real and full home console experience with full picture on big screen (very possible higher resolution than handheld) and that allows you to play local multiplayer, and that act like real handheld for playing on go!? How exactly is not innovative for instance to have 3DS and Wii U in just one product with one unifed library, and when you dont need to buy seperate handheld and seperate home console, or to play Zelda BotW on go and later you continue playing BotW home on TV!?
If multiply reliable sources saying same thing and in onother hand you don't have anything that say otherwise, than those infos are most likely true, of course nothing is 100% sure until Nintendo says so, but at this point those infos are IMO around 85% true.
| JustBeingReal said: So Boogie's saying it has 2 units, it's got a handheld part and a console unit, with two separate units, but that both work together, he's not saying it's a tablet which houses all of the processing tech and that the console is just a dock that functions as a dummy unit which only transports the game your playing to the TV. If the handheld was the center of the system then it could play the full game anywhere using only it's own processing tech, it wouldn't need the console to be complete. This isn't a single unit that functions like a hybrid, it's a console and a handheld you buy in the same box at the shop and you have everything, Nintendo can use one complete system with these two units to sell the future of their handheld and console games to a single audience. The beauty of this is that you don't have the limitations of a small tablet form factor, but you can play everything that Nintendo can make going forward and Nintendo's developers will have way less limitations compared to the tablet hybrid approach that Eurogamer were led to believe NX was. |
I think he has poorly chosen words, he later even call handheld "the thing", he could call base unit a home console, it's very obvious he has hard time explaining whole concept, he also in one video called it hybrid.
"I've talked to two people who have used it. One is from Ubisoft and he said programming for it is actually really nice and Nintendo is working very closely with him and that the concept is great because he said, you could play... Uh, I dunno how careful I should be with it... Let's say you could play Assassin's Creed once you have your handheld plugged into your console. And then, you could then detach the thing and take it with you and play the Assassin's Creed mobile game out of your pocket. And then when you get back home, plug it directly in and now it attaches back to the... That's brilliant. That's smart, right? Taking a form of the game with you as you go. So he says it's a dream to code for. And then somebody I know who's played on the NX for 20 minutes said... It's as innovative as they'd hoped and 'we wish we had done that.'"
| CarcharodonKraz said: man, if this thing is really $450 and sub par to xb1 in power, then it had BETTER be two consoles with a unified OS. that's a pretty high price if it were to just be a handheld with a perephieral. Can you imagine buying a gameboy advanced and a gameboy player for $350 back in the day? that'd been rediculous. |
No way it will cost $450, after 3DS and Wii U Nintendo will not again go for high price espacily in middle of generation, they know it cant have higher price than XB1/PS4, also Nintendo said they aiming affordable price. Personaly I expecting $249-299 price point.
zorg1000 said:
Its a very similar situation. Wii U was a PS3/360 level console when PS4/XBO were on the way. NX will be a XBO/PS4 level console when Pro/Scorpio just released/on the way. What makes you think mulitplats are going to sell significantly better on NX than they did on Wii U? By the time NX releases PS4/XBO will have sold over 80 million with the majority of the shooter/sports/action crowd already having jumped over from PS3/360, what will make these people switch to NX? Going forward, why will people looking for a console choose NX over PS4/XBO which have established libraries and large online communites for the big games? Why will people looking for the best versions of games choose NX over Pro or Scorpio? There really isnt a scenario that allows for multiplats to sell substantial numbers or being system sellers for NX. |
Fact that NX will sell much better than Wii U. :D
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Fact that NX will sell much better than Wii U. :D |
context buddy, im talking about if NX is just an XBO/PS4 by Nintendo than what is going to convince people to play mulitplat games on NX?
When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.
zorg1000 said:
context buddy, im talking about if NX is just an XBO/PS4 by Nintendo than what is going to convince people to play mulitplat games on NX? |
Sry, I agree with you on that.
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