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bigtakilla on 05 October 2016
potato_hamster said:
bigtakilla said:

How can you say third parties will fail on the home console, when the exact same game (minus a few effects that simply will be bypassed on the handheld, and will render at a lower resolution) will be on handheld. The point is third parties won't have to choose what they're developing for anymore. The same cart used for home console can also be put into the handheld. 

 

Breaking that barrier is what Nintendo needs to do. Not force people to buy expensive hardware for features they don't want.


This concept of "one cartridge for two (or more) consoles" needs to go away. Boogie slightly misspoke here. The "console" is a docking station. The NX isn't a platform. It's a handheld game console that can be easily plugged into a tv. That's pretty much all there is to it.

Then I guess the debate for a hybrid being "needed" is going out the window then, and we're back to the "get over it" part of the discussion



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teigaga on 05 October 2016
bigtakilla said:
teigaga said:

Neither are flaws

No.3 essentially means that third parties will fail on the home console, since the console itself would barely sell. One of the main arguments for the NX not being a hybrid is that it'd be a weak home console and not recieve any/a lot of third party support. 

No.4 is trivial but is still relevant to Nintendo's profit margins. Instead of trying to optimise for 2 vastly different spec ranges, why not just have one system with a slightly overclocked mode for 1080p resolution and slightly prettier graphics? Either way they'd likely work from the weakest benchmark up, meaning that the 2TFLOP home console's power won't really go to full use. It just begs the question of why Nintendo should even bother. Its just another reason why one hybrid system makes more financial sense for Nintendo then 2 seperate systems. 

I'm not strongly against a standalone handhled & console each with different specs, but the person I was responding was suggesting that that it makes a lot more sense than a legit hybrid. It doesn't. 

How can you say third parties will fail on the home console, when the exact same game (minus a few effects that simply will be bypassed on the handheld, and will render at a lower resolution) will be on handheld. The point is third parties won't have to choose what they're developing for anymore. The same cart used for home console can also be put into the handheld. 

Breaking that barrier is what Nintendo needs to do. Not force people to buy expensive hardware for features they don't want.

This has really yet to be seen & is extremely optimistic. We don't even know if the NX CPU will be 1/8th of the current hardware games are being developed for, it will not be as simple as scaling the resolution and some VFX.  We don't know what exact specs the NX is running so I can't completely shit on the idea but if we use the X1 Shield as a benchmark, its simply not realistic to think porting down to the NX home console will be a simple task when the only ports the X1 shield console recieved to show of its strength were last gen games, even then the Shield is a console without battery concerns, the NX will be a handheld and battery life will put some constraints on how much power it can use on the go. 

I don't believe many developers outside of Activision and EA with their generic franchsies (Fifa etc) will bother porting down to the NX. Either it would end up delaying a lot of games or they'll release the NX version later. Even then you're expecting people to buy 2 seperate consoles or you're expecting them to settle of inferior handheld versions of big budget cinematic AAA games, I don't see either happening.



jonathanalis on 05 October 2016

So, the games have to be designed for entirely home and mobile gaming since the beginning.
If I get the example, is an AC adapted for touch screen one hand play and also the same game for home controller play... seems difficult to make it work...
if not that, is just a dock that upgrades the power for better graphical details and resolution, but the gameplay is the same...



bigtakilla on 05 October 2016
teigaga said:
bigtakilla said:

How can you say third parties will fail on the home console, when the exact same game (minus a few effects that simply will be bypassed on the handheld, and will render at a lower resolution) will be on handheld. The point is third parties won't have to choose what they're developing for anymore. The same cart used for home console can also be put into the handheld. 

Breaking that barrier is what Nintendo needs to do. Not force people to buy expensive hardware for features they don't want.

This has really yet to be seen & is extremely optimistic. We don't even know if the NX CPU will be 1/8th of the current hardware games are being developed for, it will not be as simple as scaling the resolution and some VFX.  We don't know what exact specs the NX is running so I can't completely shit on the idea but if we use the X1 Shield as a benchmark, its simply not realistic to think porting down to the NX home console will be a simple task when the only ports the X1 shield console recieved to show of its strength were last gen games, even then the Shield is a console without battery concerns, the NX will be a handheld and battery life will put some constraints on how much power it can use on the go. 

I don't believe many developers outside of Activision and EA with their generic franchsies (Fifa etc) will bother porting down to the NX. Either it would end up delaying a lot of games or they'll release the NX version later. Even then you're expecting people to buy 2 seperate consoles or you're expecting them to settle of inferior handheld versions of big budget cinematic AAA games, I don't see either happening.

I was talking about how two seperate devices of NX would work, not how NX would get third party support. The home console would get the scaled up version of the handheld console NX games.

As for third party support for the NX in general, it comes down to userbase. If you got the handheld and home console userbase of 10 mil year one (they want 12 mil), then support will come. But you don't sell 12 mil with overpriced, and underpowered hardware. If NX is over $250 max it will not sell, period (if below Xbone power) and I even think I'm being generous there. You can't make a hybrid device that cheap, and "taking it on the go" isn't going to appeal to that many people outside Japan. 



camilosanchez16 on 05 October 2016

Can someone put he link for Mobile users please?



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Akeos on 05 October 2016

My thinks... NX is not a hybrid console, NX is a handheld console + home console...
It's going to be home console with x86 and enough power for easy game port
It's going to be handheld, 50 / 100 GFLOPS maximum, ARM and have handheld games

They will be only selling together... And we can have hybrid games...
Home console games could have features on portable (farming, Street pass or mini-games)
Handheld games could have features on home console (pokemon battles with great visuals, multiplayers online, save on home console , local multiplayers up to 16 characters coop or vs)

So, editors can make home console games or handheld games or hybride games... No obligations, editors have choice....



Miyamotoo on 05 October 2016
Mar1217 said:
Miyamotoo said:

"I've talked to two people who have used it. One is from Ubisoft and he said programming for it is actually really nice and Nintendo is working very closely with him and that the concept is great because he said, you could play... Uh, I dunno how careful I should be with it... Let's say you could play Assassin's Creed once you have your handheld plugged into your console. And then, you could then detach the thing and take it with you and play the Assassin's Creed mobile game out of your pocket. And then when you get back home, plug it directly in and now it attaches back to the... That's brilliant. That's smart, right? Taking a form of the game with you as you go. So he says it's a dream to code for. And then somebody I know who's played on the NX for 20 minutes said... It's as innovative as they'd hoped and 'we wish we had done that.'"

 

To me sounds like Hybrid of handheld and base unit, not seperate handheld and seperate home console. Also in his latest videos he referred to NX like hybrid.

I think you misunderstand my view. I'm talking here about an ecosystem that feature both devices( HH/HC ) with obviously some sort of interconnectivity features between each other( and even mobile devices .... yeaaaah). But both will still be able to work without one another. They won't make it mandatory for you to buy both devices to play all the games since the same library will be shared on both devices. You'll probably get benefits for owning both devices though

I and all infos are saying about base unit and handheld unit that are part of NX in same package, real hybrid, base unit won't work without handheld unit, and they will sell them together.



Miyamotoo on 05 October 2016
Mar1217 said:
Miyamotoo said:

I and all infos are saying about base unit and handheld unit that are part of NX in same package, real hybrid, base unit won't work without handheld unit, and they will sell them together.

You mean rumors nah ? 

... -_-

I mean on Eurogamer article, that is confirmed buy WSJ, IGN, Kotaku and some other sources and some reaible insaders.

Based on all that, NX home console and handheld in one, hybrid, main NX "gimmick" is that can be used like home console or handheld.



JustBeingReal on 05 October 2016

So Boogie's saying it has 2 units, it's got a handheld part and a console unit, with two separate units, but that both work together, he's not saying it's a tablet which houses all of the processing tech and that the console is just a dock that functions as a dummy unit which only transports the game your playing to the TV.

If the handheld was the center of the system then it could play the full game anywhere using only it's own processing tech, it wouldn't need the console to be complete.

This isn't a single unit that functions like a hybrid, it's a console and a handheld you buy in the same box at the shop and you have everything, Nintendo can use one complete system with these two units to sell the future of their handheld and console games to a single audience.
The beauty of this is that you don't have the limitations of a small tablet form factor, but you can play everything that Nintendo can make going forward and Nintendo's developers will have way less limitations compared to the tablet hybrid approach that Eurogamer were led to believe NX was.



PwerlvlAmy on 05 October 2016
Mar1217 said:
Miyamotoo said:

Totally agree, base unit and handheld/tablet device.

 

 

Yes, handheld/tablet hooked in "base unit", two devices, basicly like infos we already have.

You shouldn't twist the words of someone just to make it match your view. He talked about a Handheld, no mention of something that seems like a tablet device, pluged into a Console, no mention of a docking station(base unit or docking station either).

This point towards the direction of the NX being an ecosystem of 2 devices.

Haha exactly. Pretty much the bolded. People keep switching the wording around or adding in their own words to fit their specific argument rather than focus on what the actual quote really is 



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