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They initially went for hardware that's basically 2 x Wii U but halfway in the proces they were surprised and shocked by Sony and MS reveal of their next systems. Luckily they have time to change the hardware to at least 3 x the Wii U.



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As long as it doesn't have that unconventional game pad it'll do better than the WiiU.



I'm calling a delay, Nintendo really should have had a few more games lined up for Wii U to keep things ticking over, even if it was just smaller titles.



PwerlvlAmy said:
Miyamotoo said:

Releasing something new and different that aimes difrent market (casuals, mobile users, 2nd console for PS4/Xbox owners) at affordable price and not competing with power with XB1/PS4/PS4Pro/Scorpio in middle of generation is much better choise, than try to compete on power with XB1/PS4/PS4Pro/Scorpio in middle of generation, in that secon case NX would most likly sell less than WiiU.

No, what I describe is Wii not Wii U, you forgeting that Wii was much weaker than PS3/Xbox360 than Wii U is weaker than XB1/PS4. Third party or lack of Wii U power are not main reasons why Wii U failed, actualy Wii U at launch had solid 3rd part suport (CoD, Batman, AC, Fifa, Maiden, NBA, NFS...) and 3rd party started abandoning Wii U after terrible sales, main reasons why Wii U failed are terrible revel, bad and misunderstood marketing, high price compared to competition, weak launch and 1st year line up, not appealing gimmick.

I do not agree with anything you've stated at all. I feel lower powered system will spell the death of Nintendo in the console market with Nx,you differ and thats cool. I just do not see a scenario like that ending in a positive manner for them

 

we shall have to agree to disagree

Its one thing what you feel and totally thing what is fact. Not strong console doesn't mean bade sales or "dead of Nintendo in console market", Wii was much less powerful compared to competition and 3DS is much less powerful than Vita. Also fact is that there is room for 3 identical platforms on market where they will compete power of hardware, so its positive that Nintendo taking different approach and coming with something different.



PwerlvlAmy said:
Miyamotoo said:

Releasing something new and different that aimes difrent market (casuals, mobile users, 2nd console for PS4/Xbox owners) at affordable price and not competing with power with XB1/PS4/PS4Pro/Scorpio in middle of generation is much better choise, than try to compete on power with XB1/PS4/PS4Pro/Scorpio in middle of generation, in that secon case NX would most likly sell less than WiiU.

No, what I describe is Wii not Wii U, you forgeting that Wii was much weaker than PS3/Xbox360 than Wii U is weaker than XB1/PS4. Third party or lack of Wii U power are not main reasons why Wii U failed, actualy Wii U at launch had solid 3rd part suport (CoD, Batman, AC, Fifa, Maiden, NBA, NFS...) and 3rd party started abandoning Wii U after terrible sales, main reasons why Wii U failed are terrible revel, bad and misunderstood marketing, high price compared to competition, weak launch and 1st year line up, not appealing gimmick.

I do not agree with anything you've stated at all. I feel lower powered system will spell the death of Nintendo in the console market with Nx,you differ and thats cool. I just do not see a scenario like that ending in a positive manner for them

 

we shall have to agree to disagree

 

Personally I think Nintendo realise 3rd party support is going to be lukewarm at best, hence the unified library. This way the NX can still be well supported with a steady stream of games from Nintendo themselves, without the hassle of developing for 2 separate systems. Fingers crossed this means no droughts like Wii U because 3rd parties weren't filling the gaps.

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bunchanumbers said:
GoOnKid said:

An honest question. How much time does it take for the average consumer to understand a product? Does it really need 4-5 months? If Nintendo released just one single article with all details inside, wouldn't that be enough?

Seriously, what do you do in these 4-5 months? Are people thinking about it over and over until they reached a point where they have the full grasp of the idea behind it? I don't think so, folks. If we can all read and analyze every effing rumour article about it and derive a complete console system out of it within less than one hour, please tell me why Nintendo would need 4-5 months to have enough time to explain the concept of the NX.

With that being said, I think Nintendo will reveal the thing way later than we all thought.

According to Nintendo, it takes years to understand a product. They still say Wii U was never understood and that came out in 2012. If Nintendo is making something and they expect the average consumer to fully understand it in 4-5 months, then they are putting too much faith in the average consumer. The reason Apple can make a new iphone and go from reveal to launch a week later is because years ago they established what iphone is, and they don't have to go beyond what this years new features are. Nintendo will be going in cold with this device. Just throwing it in the market without any time to explain the product would be a bad deal for it.

You misunderstood Nintendo about Wii U, Nintendo never said it takes years to understand product, lol. They never said that Wii U is misunderstood because of time, it's misunderstood because bad marketing. Fact that Wii U was revealed year and half before launch and people still didnt understand what is Wii U proves that marketing is a problem not time.

People can easily (and much better than Wii U) understood what is NX with good and strong marketing in around 3 months, not to mention 4-6 months.



zippy said:
I'm calling a delay, Nintendo really should have had a few more games lined up for Wii U to keep things ticking over, even if it was just smaller titles.

Wii U is dead for quiet time now and few games wouldn't change anything, but 3DS is still selling thats why they have few more games for 3DS.



Miyamotoo said:
bunchanumbers said:

According to Nintendo, it takes years to understand a product. They still say Wii U was never understood and that came out in 2012. If Nintendo is making something and they expect the average consumer to fully understand it in 4-5 months, then they are putting too much faith in the average consumer. The reason Apple can make a new iphone and go from reveal to launch a week later is because years ago they established what iphone is, and they don't have to go beyond what this years new features are. Nintendo will be going in cold with this device. Just throwing it in the market without any time to explain the product would be a bad deal for it.

You misunderstood Nintendo about Wii U, Nintendo never said it takes years to understand product, lol. They never said that Wii U is misunderstood because of time, it's misunderstood because bad marketing. Fact that Wii U was revealed year and half before launch and people still didnt understand what is Wii U proves that marketing is a problem not time.

People can easily (and much better than Wii U) understood what is NX with good and strong marketing in around 3 months, not to mention 4-6 months.

Are you really putting faith in the marketing that had years to show what Wii U is about and couldn't do it?

And you're expecting this marketing team to make it happen in a fraction of this time? They haven't shown good and strong marketing around hardware in years. I wouldn't be shocked if the entire marketing team is sitting around a table, with a NX on it and are saying amongst themselves, 'Ok... how do we sell this thing? Its weak, has a low resolution, and will cost as much as hardware that is several times stronger.'

More than likely it will be met with silence.



I don't think fear has anything to do with it. Even if it was fear, that wouldn't matter since they would have to reveal it at some point anyway. I suspect the real reason is that Nintendo is waiting for their investors meeting at the end of the month. They'll either reveal it then or not too long before the meeting.



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mountaindewslave said:
DélioPT said:
When was the last time Nintendo had the most powerful console? 20 years ago.
Difference in power is not the reason for the non-reveal.

It's pretty clear - given all the comments from Ubisoft and other devs - that NX is not going to compete with PS4 or XB1. Therefore, price difference really isn't a big deal.

The reason or reasons for not revealing NX has probably got to do with them wanting to not let the hype die. Not to mention that people are already used to short waiting periods between announcement and release date.
It could be that Nintendo wants to not interfere with the holiday period, which normally sees sales increase already in October, if i'm not mistaken (with the actual reveal coming after the holidays).
They still want to sell Wii Us and 3DSs!

What i do fear is that this small gap between reveal and release means that 3rd parties aren't on board again.
What i mean is that i'm having a hard time seeing 3rd parties agreeing to having so little time to promote their games. With all the rush that is coming soon due to the holiday period, they will focus their dollars and time on the games that are indeed coming out soon, not games coming out in 4/5 months (if the reveal was even this month of October).

Can you imagine how NX's launch line-up would be if that happens?


this. you announce in September and then the holidays come by and everybody asks for a PS4 as a gift and then totally forgets about the NX come next spring. Frankly Nintendo's best move might be to literally wait until right around the holidays to announce the system, keep it fresh in people's mind while they're on vacation and getting holiday money and things

announcing early is useful is you're launching during like the holidays. Announcing early is just not relevant at all if you're launching in March. They can easily spam commercials and ads online for a few months.

Obviously to a lesser extent look at how films are advertised- granted they're only out for a limited period of time, a limited theatrical run, BUT you don't advertise wayyyy in advance. you advertise in a sweet spot in the months leading up to the release

 

I can see if Nintendo has something super innovative, them being concerned that Sony might attempt to hack together a similar-ish thing if there's too much time in between release

just as an example, although this was late by Microsoft, something like the Kinect getting made because of the Wii comes to mind.

if you have a really good idea for something the real value is arguably in protecting the idea and using it at the right time to control market share

I don't think announcing it early (in September, for example) would have been a bad idea. On the contrary, actually.
Knowing advance would probably make some people wait a few more months to then spend there money.

That's probably Nintendo's angle with NX: small gap between reveal and release.
Of course, this is not as simple as "here it is, go buy it". They need time to come out with marketing and the actual reveal of the games (dumping all the information at once and then having nothing new to show for months would be a bad idea too)... but so need 3rd parties. That's why i hope that 3rd parties have enough time and are ok with this type of approach.