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What match are you excited for at WWE Payback 2017?

Neville vs. Austin Aries ... 1 5.88%
 
Randy Orton vs. Bray Wyat... 3 17.65%
 
The Hardy Boyz vs. Cesaro... 3 17.65%
 
Kevin Owens vs. Chris Jer... 4 23.53%
 
Bayley vs. Alexa Bliss (Raw Women's Title) 3 17.65%
 
Seth Rollins vs. Samoa Joe 1 5.88%
 
Roman Reigns vs. Braun Strowman 2 11.76%
 
Total:17

Nice old school Cena throwback, back when people still liked him, and they liked him tonight! Too bad no match, but he probably still got paid 500,000 for that.



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Jumpin said:

Just wow! Kofimania was a truly great moment. 15 years since we've seen something like this.

Who left this bowl of onions here?!?



Becky's entrance was weak af. They should have had muscle men on their knees as she walked down the ramp.



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dear lord started watching this around 10pm GMT and now it's 6am, I actually feel pity for those in the crowd sitting on painful seats for that duration, going to Wrestlemania in its current form is a test of stamina more than a test of loving WWE, that shit is just way too long especially when you have time wasted on things like the Rey, AJ and Miz matches all of which had no real place on the card of a 7 hour PPV.

That ending seemed like something went wrong though, was just wrapped up so quickly after it as well, no video recap of the ppv like in the last 5 or so years, wonder if something went wrong somewhere.



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7/12 isn’t the worse for my predictions. The main event ending was 100% a screw up. I left the room for a minute and the match was over lol



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I don't know how to feel about 'Mania. They pretty much gave us everything we wanted but there was a lack of passion (?) or something. There were some good/great moments but it just feels forgettable.

Hopefully "Raw after Mania" has some surprises.



Overall, this is probably in my top three Wrestlemanias of all time, certainly in my top 5. Kofi Kingston winning his title was a rare thing (I think outside of Wrestlemania 20 I don't think there has been anything really like it). The main event was actually good for once. The last few matches (especially Angle vs. Corbin) had several botches, commentary and even production mistakes (though there were production mistakes all night, like forgetting Aleister Black's fog); so, IMO, shorter Wrestlemanias should happen - and maybe offset some of those matches to Fastlane, make it a more tag centric event.

IMO, best match: Kofimania - and this is one for the ages, it was on that Wrestlemania 20 tier - it had everything, high quality wrestling, a great story was told, and an explosively emotional conclusion.
Favourite matches and moments otherwise:
1. Women's titles main event, the first good main event I have seen at Wrestlemania over a decade (granted, I have not watched most of the Wrestlemania's in the past 12-13 years or so).
2. Thuganomics Cena - that was a really awesome moment, this was the Cena that got over, not the silly "Ruthless..... AGGRESSION!" stuff or the "The Time is Now" Cena which everyone booed for like 15 years despite being a babyface.
3. Smackdown tag match - this was stacked and it showed, Usos excelled, Ricochet and Black were the stars, Sheamus and Caesaro did their part very well, and it was a little disappointing we didn't get a good Nakamura vs. Aleister Black strong style segment in the match, but they did all well and good without it.
4. Iconics winning the women's tag titles. I really enjoyed that! =)

Mildly surprisingly good stuff (basically stuff I was expecting to suck, and didn't) -
1. Almost all of the pre-show, except the men's battle royal which was a bit awkward. The women's Battle Royal was held back by Sarah Logan not winning, that would have been FAR more meaningful IMO than Carmella who really gains nothing from this win, that match was good but ALMOST great.
2. Mysterio vs. Joe - very short, but wasn't even expecting this match to be happening given Mysterio's injury.
3. Shane vs. Miz turned out way more entertaining than I thought it would, even if it was a bit of a sloppy match from a technical standpoint.

Disappointing matches:
1. Lashley vs. Balor, it might have hit much better if it had been packaged like Summerslam where it was a complete surprise. Not saying the match was bad (it was an exceptional spot show), but it lacked the OOOMPH that I was expecting - could have been that it was on about an hour or more later than it should have been.
2. AJ vs. Orton, this one kind of bored me, it was technically fine, and they had one CRAZY suplex from the top ropes, but it seemed very artificial and planned out. Also, it felt inconsequential, like it really didn't matter who won or lost.
3. Rollins vs. Lesnar, it wasn't nearly as interesting as Balor vs. Lesnar or Bryan vs. Lesnar - it was more like a short version of Roman vs. Lesnar last year where they just kept delivering signature moves until it was over.
4. No Holds Barred - wasn't expecting much, but Batista vs. Triple H for the last time could have been a lot better; again, felt slow and inorganic. Some blood would have really helped.
5. Women's match up until the finish, which to me seemed a little bit crowded: like it COULD have been better if it was just two three teams instead of four.

Worst moment: randomly bringing out Hogan to deliver what can only be described as a word salad, and he kind of sounded like he was on crack. I'm still not even sure if that was the real Hogan =P

Overall: this is, IMO, the best and most well rounded Wrestlemania of the past 3 years. Add in the Kofimania stuff, and it is really one for the ages. While it did have some disappointing moments (from my perspective) I didn't find that there was much that was really bad about the show - especially compared to most other Wrestlemanias. This one was definitely one of the more solid shows... but what makes it impressive is the sheer length of it, 7.5 hours. But the length of it also caused some issues, there was a lot of production issues (as I noted in one of my earlier live-reaction posts, they forgot Black's fog for his entrance), by the last hour the commentary team and crowd had lost their voices. It is a ridiculous length of time for a show, it is enough to be two PPVs. Some of the matches felt they could have been bumped from the card without anyone noticing (Orton vs. Styles, the Raw tag titles, and Joe vs. Mysterio), and maybe those should have happened on the next PPV or the prior one. Another possibility, put Wrestlemania on two nights.

While I did like the big stuff that happened at Wrestlemania, and the sheer variety of what happened on the show; once more, it didn't feel nearly as solid of a package as NXT TakeoverMania.



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List of Production failures so far for Wrestlemania 35:
1. Forgot Aleister Black's fog.
2. Accidentally kept a bright light on from Randy Orton's intro through most of the match, preventing tens of thousands in the crowd from seeing.
3. The music department missed the Dance Break cue from Alexa Bliss.

I am sure there were some more.


Other notes:
* Charlotte broke Rousey's hand very early on in the match. This would have been rough considering her style involves a lot of rolls and fast flips which requires use of hands.
* Brock Lesnar flew out of NYC right after his match.
* The decision to kick the show off with Lesnar vs Seth was made during the kickoff show, the card was re-organized last minute. AJ Styles vs Orton was supposed to be the first match of the night.
* Batista quietly retired after Wrestlemania 35. Good for him, he didn't steal Kurt Angle's thunder in this way.
* Big E and Hogan buried the hatchet.
* 82,265 and 16.9 million US gate, beating the stadium's previous record set at Wrestlemania 29 by 4.6 million. Also, the third highest attendance of any Wrestlemania ever, and the second highest gross (Wrestlemania 32 grossed 17.3M and had an attendance of 101,763).



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I've said it before and I'll say it again. Elias needs to be the face of this business. There isn't a guy on the roster who checks all the boxes like him.



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Jumpin said:

List of Production failures so far for Wrestlemania 35:
1. Forgot Aleister Black's fog.
2. Accidentally kept a bright light on from Randy Orton's intro through most of the match, preventing tens of thousands in the crowd from seeing.
3. The music department missed the Dance Break cue from Alexa Bliss.

I am sure there were some more.


Other notes:
* Charlotte broke Rousey's hand very early on in the match. This would have been rough considering her style involves a lot of rolls and fast flips which requires use of hands.
* Brock Lesnar flew out of NYC right after his match.
* The decision to kick the show off with Lesnar vs Seth was made during the kickoff show, the card was re-organized last minute. AJ Styles vs Orton was supposed to be the first match of the night.
* Batista quietly retired after Wrestlemania 35. Good for him, he didn't steal Kurt Angle's thunder in this way.
* Big E and Hogan buried the hatchet.
* 82,265 and 16.9 million US gate, beating the stadium's previous record set at Wrestlemania 29 by 4.6 million. Also, the third highest attendance of any Wrestlemania ever, and the second highest gross (Wrestlemania 32 grossed 17.3M and had an attendance of 101,763).

Considering the fact that Lesnar left not only the arena, but the city, state, and country as soon as his matched ended, it's likely the reorganization of the card was done at his behest. I find this amusing because he did a similar thing at UFC 100, when by request from Lesnar, the UFC bumped the 3rd-to-last fight of the night up to main event, which was just bizarre. Never happened before or since.



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