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the_bloodwalker said:

you're right on that.

 

The FPA is a brach, as you said, that manages to create a root on it's own thanks to the main differences between FPA and FPS.

  • FPA is escencialy a seamless world while FPS is a collections of stages using cutscenes to connect them.
  • FPA revolves on one main, big objective while FPS uses a bunch of small objectives to clear the stage.
  • FPA can have backtracking, you can explore a world that you cleared and you can see the effects that you made. In FPS you play the stage like you never cleared it.
  • FPA is more open while FPS is more linear
  • FPA is about explotarion, FPS is about action
There are many things to consider, because FPA's have bigger challenges than FPS. But when they are beaten, like in Metroid Prime, the result is a great game :)

First person Adventure is not just about exploration, it's also about puzzles, narrative and non-twitch actions. Metroid Prime is an FPS since reflex based actions are dominant.

If you really want to know what an FPA is, then check the Penumbra series. That's a true FPA. 

 the_bloodwalker said:

Thanks. I love FPA and I see potential to increase the experience in many ways. A horror FPA will be badass for eample


There's already horror FPA : the Penumbra series. And I heard it's quite good.

 

Legend11 said:
Deus Ex was a pretty amazing FPA... Hopefully the third one turns out to be as good as the first.

Deus Ex is an FPS/RPG. God do people never check their genres correctly?!



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shio said:

Legend11 said:
Deus Ex was a pretty amazing FPA... Hopefully the third one turns out to be as good as the first.

Deus Ex is an FPS/RPG. God do people never check their genres correctly?!


It can also be considered a first-person action-adventure game.  I thought that was close enough to what this thread is actually talking about.



Legend11 said:
shio said:

Legend11 said:
Deus Ex was a pretty amazing FPA... Hopefully the third one turns out to be as good as the first.

Deus Ex is an FPS/RPG. God do people never check their genres correctly?!


It can also be considered a first-person action-adventure game. I thought that was close enough to what this thread is actually talking about.


No, Deus Ex is a true FPS/RPG, the other definitions are just baloney.

I think developers will be inclined to add more and more new features and playable instances to FPS games that differ from common practice.
The level of saturation in this genre is almost like no other, and in order to maintain high sales one has to reinvent the genre pretty soon, I for one am getting rather dizzy trying to distinguish these games from one another.
Deus Ex 1 & 2, Thief (technically a medieval FPS setting), Dark Messiah (I actually enjoyed that), Condemned and S.T.A.L.K.E.R are examples of dev's actually trying to set themselves apart and I commend them for it!
10 years from now, I don't think we'll recognize shooters or FPS', at least not if we try to identify them by the old standards and set bars.



shio said:
Legend11 said:
shio said:

Legend11 said:
Deus Ex was a pretty amazing FPA... Hopefully the third one turns out to be as good as the first.

Deus Ex is an FPS/RPG. God do people never check their genres correctly?!


It can also be considered a first-person action-adventure game. I thought that was close enough to what this thread is actually talking about.


No, Deus Ex is a true FPS/RPG, the other definitions are just baloney.

Deus Ex has adventure elements in the game (I beat it, I'm sure you probably have as well so you should know exactly what I'm talking about).  I'm not saying it doesn't have rpg elements in it, it does, but it also has adventure elements in it as well.  It's a hard game to classify because it has elements of several genres in it...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_Ex

"Deus Ex takes place from a first-person perspective. It was designed to incorporate gameplay elements from four types of games: role-playing, first-person shooter, adventure and "immersive simulation", the latter being defined as a game in which "nothing reminds you that you're just playing a game".[11] The player assumes the role of JC Denton, a "nanotech"-augmented operative of United Nations Anti-Terrorist Coalition (UNATCO).[12] This nanotechnology is a central gameplay mechanism, and allows players to perform superhuman feats."



And here are some websites who chose to describe it like I have...

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/deusex/  (describes it as a sci-fi action adventure game)

http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/250533.asp?q=deus%20ex (describes it as an action adventure game)



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Legend11 said:
shio said:
Legend11 said:
shio said:

Legend11 said:
Deus Ex was a pretty amazing FPA... Hopefully the third one turns out to be as good as the first.

Deus Ex is an FPS/RPG. God do people never check their genres correctly?!


It can also be considered a first-person action-adventure game. I thought that was close enough to what this thread is actually talking about.


No, Deus Ex is a true FPS/RPG, the other definitions are just baloney.

Deus Ex has adventure elements in the game (I beat it, I'm sure you probably have as well so you should know exactly what I'm talking about). I'm not saying it doesn't have rpg elements in it, it does, but it also has adventure elements in it as well. It's a hard game to classify because it has elements of several genres in it...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_Ex

"Deus Ex takes place from a first-person perspective. It was designed to incorporate gameplay elements from four types of games: role-playing, first-person shooter, adventure and "immersive simulation", the latter being defined as a game in which "nothing reminds you that you're just playing a game".[11] The player assumes the role of JC Denton, a "nanotech"-augmented operative of United Nations Anti-Terrorist Coalition (UNATCO).[12] This nanotechnology is a central gameplay mechanism, and allows players to perform superhuman feats."



And here are some websites who chose to describe it like I have...

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/deusex/ (describes it as a sci-fi action adventure game)

http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/250533.asp?q=deus%20ex (describes it as an action adventure game)

It does have some adventure elements, but the predominant elements are from FPS and RPG genres, so it's called FPS/RPG.

And also, when you think about it, the adventure elements in Deus Ex are also elements that are almost always present in RPG's: exploration, story-centric, dialogs.



How about a first person shooter where you play as a pirate. Not only would you have guns but you would have swords too. The game would have destructible environments and they could throw in light RPG elements for good measure. You could kill innocent bystanders if you wanted too. Any thoughts, opinions...?



a FPS where everybody is naked



shio said:

First person Adventure is not just about exploration, it's also about puzzles, narrative and non-twitch actions. Metroid Prime is an FPS since reflex based actions are dominant.

If you really want to know what an FPA is, then check the Penumbra series. That's a true FPA.


I think you're missig the point.

All first person games require reflex based actions. In order to make the players feel like they are actually the one behind the HUD or camera or it will make no sense. they can be in the use of guns or swords.

 MP, even tough it gas action moments, the key is about exploring the world, looking for secrets, knowing what's going on in the world and get what's necesary to complete the main objective of the game. If you look at those elements, MP is an FPA.

 Penumbra is another FPA, but manages to separate more from the FPS than Metroid Prime. I'll check it out :)



Another big element in FPAs which hasn't been discussed in this thread are boss fights!

I loves my boss fights. You don't find real bosses in most FPSes.

I think it's pointless to argue over exactly what genre these games fall into. Game genres simply aren't that cut-and-dried or well-defined. I think classifying Elder Scrolls games and Deus Ex as FPAs is very defensible. I'd like to note that Deus Ex had several boss fights, while Oblivion had one.

Whether they're FPAs or not, I've enjoyed all the games mentioned in this thread which I've played.



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