Nope. Handhelds are recognized by the home console gens they are released in or around.

You've been nothing but wrong literally this entire conversation. They're not referred to as "Eighth Generation Video Game Home Consoles". They're just consoles. Why are you fighting something that a quick google search would show you're wrong about?

I have searched it. Nothing can have generations if the are missing a few gens. Thats like me having a grandfather and grandmother, but never had a father and mother.

Are you seriously going to jump around on definitions and false analogies all night? Because you're wrong. There's no easy way to put it. You're wrong, and it's starting to borderline baiting since literally everything we've talk about is easily found through Google and Wikipedia.

Im sorry, but I have said what I have to say several times now. We just have to agree to disagree.

I'm usually in the boat of "if it is Nintendo's next console then it is a next generation console" like Wii is same gen as PS3/360 regardless of power and same thing for wii U. BUT, this is a little extreme to consider NX same gen as PS5/XBO+ since

1. it is already underpowered compared to 8th gen. the power difference of it to 9th gen will be far greater than even wii to 360.
2. NX is a HYBRID so comparing it to next gen HOME consoles doesn't seem right.
3. NX could release 3 to 4 years before the next PS/XB. actually who knows if they will even do 5-7 year cycle since they are doing upgrade consoles.

the concept of generations is hard to apply in this situation. on topic, i have no idea since we have no clue of when the 9th gen consoles will even come out.

Well, agreed to what console they compete with is determined late in the gen. 

But if Scorpio is considered a 9th gen machine, and NX is pretty much in direct competition with it holiday 2017, wouldn't that also make NX a 9th gen machine. I mean technically two thirds of the consoles will be out by then.

I don't doubt your sincerity and can understand how finding these discussions would be extremely difficult. Back in 14/15 these discussions weren't exclusively named "Console upgrades", "Iterative consoles", "Console generations will die", it wasn't like that. The discussion happened under different topics, like NX related topics for example. There were a lot of posts and opinions about console upgrades which were argumented thoroughly but since it was only a vision back then, the majority of people just could not comprehend, it just didn't fit into the general consensus at the time. So these opinions did not catch fire, no, instead they got ridiculed, ignored and forgotten. But then came 2016 and the Neo leaks. This is the important part. When the Neo leaks happened, it was not a vision anymore, it was real and the masses had to accept and confront the truth which exploded the discussion.

Confusion is the key word. Technically the term could be correct but the reality is if a term causes more and more confusion and/or isn't actually representative of the current situation then it should be replaced, redefined or maybe we should start to look at the console market from a completely different view. I think Scorpio is an interesting example when thinking of console generations. Is Scorpio upgraded XB1 or downgraded XB2? When I have to use the generational approach, I'd say Scorpio is both and neither. This makes no sense. But my real answer would be, it's the wrong question. Also while there have been upgrades in the past, this time it's different, the ecosystem works differently now and is a lot more future proof and flexible.

4K is without a doubt the biggest selling point of these new consoles at the moment but I disagree it was the deciding factor why these upgrades came to be. I'll go back to 14/15, back then the one-two punch reason why people said these upgrades would happen was because it was possible and there was demand, it was viable to execute from financial point of view. Simply, there was a void in the market, void that has now been proven, void of people wanting better performance. Because 4K exists, it is easy to use that for marketing and gravitate people towards it by saying, "this is what you are missing", however if 4K did not exist then Sony/Microsoft would have just found another way to promote, like they did with selling PS4/XB1.

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No...I'm wondering how the hell did you come to that conclusion...I can understand my english is a little shaky, sometimes very shaky but it almost seems that even if we both shared the same native language that even then me and you would not understand each other.