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Does NX need to be on par with PS4 and XBone to succeed?

Yes 96 30.77%
 
No 118 37.82%
 
Yes, but... 33 10.58%
 
No, but... 65 20.83%
 
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Wyrdness said:
DanneSandin said:
You gotta keep in mind though, that the 3DS and Wii both were more powerful than their competition from the gen before; 3DS was still more powerful than PSP, and Wii were more powerful than the original Xbox. From what we're hearing regarding the NX, that won't be the case; it'll be a gen 9 console, weaker than it's main competition one generation behind! That's NEVER happened before. Ever. I think.

We're also hearing that it's possibly some kind of hybrid though that's a different scenario altogether.

Yeah, I wonder how that'll play out, if true. Though, I feel that while using it as a home console it really should be just as powerful as the PS/One, prefertably as strong as Pro/Scorpio - but I think that's wishful thinking



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Anyway, the reason people say it has to be a PS4 clone is simply because they:
A. Completely lack imagination.
B. Completely lack any knowledge on the industry (Wii and DS destroyed their competition last gen).
C. Secretly want a Playstation, but are too proud to admit it. In other words, they want Nintendo to make a Playstation Junior console.



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archer9234 said:

Then Nintendo would never have an opening to "attack". If they keep playing it safe. Both ways are equally poor.

If they keep it safe and do a cheap console, they can make good numbers and keep going.

If they make a 400 bucks console and the 3rd party option backfires, they will end up with another Wii U and now without a 3DS to back it up since it's a single platform. Selling just 15M consoles in a single gen (since it's a combined platform) would pretty much do a massive damage to Nintendo.

I don't see a lot of openings for attacks, really. When NX is out, publishers will have two other platforms, one around 50M and the other around 25M to support. NX will start from zero. 100% of the public for 3rd parties are on PS4 and X1. Because if someone did care about these games, they already left Nintendo years ago. So they can do another expensive console and end up with no games.

MarkkyStorm said:

I think that's a valid option. Not the only one, but maybe the safest one of the two ways I see for Nintendo:

1- A new SNES: say what you want, but most of true gamers dream about a console that sums Nintendo IPs and equal or more power than the competition. Not just for the power, but for what you can do with it. SNES had STRONG third party support and incredible first party games. If it's marketed in the right way, it could cust as much as the competition and still sell, at least, better than the X1. It would need strong third party support, a strong online network, variety of first party titles (not just Mario and Zelda, it would need good new IPs and new games from series like Metroid and F-Zero in the way that the fans want it, not Star Fox Zero way) and a tradicional controller. If it's made the right way, it would kick Microsoft out of the way and Nintendo would battle Sony head-to-head in a future next generation.

2- A new Wii: what makes Wii so brilliant was the sum of innovative ways to play, good price and exclusive games. You couldn't had the same experience in any other console in that generation (at least, before Kinect and PSMove) and that made the Wii steal the show. The trick part is: it has to be unique and cheap. The rumours point to that way. And it could work, with a good amount of great games and a price that convince X1 and PS4 owners to have a second console and, more than that, convince people that don't like games that much (casuals, for saying) that it a good valour for tons of fun. More than keep Nintendo alive, it could be responsible for keep the idea of dedicated devices for playing alive in this world of consoles that are becoming more and more like a PC.

1 - Yes, SNES did had a strong 3rd party support. But times have moved on. I don't think a lot of gamers do want this nowadays. People that really cared about 3rd party games moved on. Actually, the big 3rd party games aren't even the same top ones on SNES. They seriously risk to just cather to people that already are on PS4 and X1. Even for people that aren't on these devices, it would make more sense to get one of them since they have years of games already out. Even power isn't an advantage anymore because we have more powerful versions of them.

I think that a 300+ dollar Nintendo console would be a Dreamcast-like disaster. A lost, in-between gens device that nobody really asked for. There's a bunch of nostalgia about the DC now but, at its time, it was just something nobody really wanted.

2 - I believe that's the approach. Cheaper, more accessible. Less gimmicky, but still trying for a casual appeal.



torok said:
archer9234 said:

Then Nintendo would never have an opening to "attack". If they keep playing it safe. Both ways are equally poor.

If they keep it safe and do a cheap console, they can make good numbers and keep going. Then I see no major growth to their product. Maybe Mario Jump help get people to get some sales. But it won't reach nice numbers.

If they make a 400 bucks console and the 3rd party option backfires, they will end up with another Wii U and now without a 3DS to back it up since it's a single platform. Selling just 15M consoles in a single gen (since it's a combined platform) would pretty much do a massive damage to Nintendo. Nintendo wouldn't just discontinue the 3DS. Intill they know the NX is in a okay shape. Just like the GBA was planned. If the DS didn't work.

 


archer9234 said:
torok said:

If they keep it safe and do a cheap console, they can make good numbers and keep going. Then I see no major growth to their product. Maybe Mario Jump help get people to get some sales. But it won't reach nice numbers.

If they make a 400 bucks console and the 3rd party option backfires, they will end up with another Wii U and now without a 3DS to back it up since it's a single platform. Selling just 15M consoles in a single gen (since it's a combined platform) would pretty much do a massive damage to Nintendo. Nintendo wouldn't just discontinue the 3DS. Intill they know the NX is in a okay shape. Just like the GBA was planned. If the DS didn't work.

Casuals are their best shot right now. PS4 is a massively competent product that will get a cheaper model and a more powerful one, VR, exclusives. It has 3 years of library, bundles. It's absolutely suicidal to go against it. Do you really think that core gamers that do care about 3rd parties will:

a) Get a PS4 Slim or Pro and have 100% certain that all 3rd party games are coming.

b) Get a NX and pray that things will be different from the last 4 Nintendo consoles.

It's kind of a no-brainer.

They won't discontinue 3DS. But it isn't pouring healthy numbers right now ene with models close to 100 bucks, so it's not a viable fallback. The NX will just kill 3DS numbers anyway. If it doesn't (a miracle), the current fall will do. It isn't really comparable to GBA that was still selling well, 3DS is 5 years old already.



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Miyamotoo said:
TomaTito said:

You said it yourself, the Pokemon Go craze resurfaced the Pokemon IP. If Nintendo waits after Super Mario Run to see if that also becomes a hit, with Mario on the news, etc... What better situation than to announce the new console then? You follow this train of thought, right?

First NX is incomparable more important for Nintendo than Super Mario Run, they will not hold back reveal of NX until December just because of Super Mario Run. Second Super Mario Run won't have effect on NX until NX arrives in March, so there is zero sense to wait first Super Mario Run launch and then reveal NX.

Reveal of a console is marketing. Super Mario Run exists for marketing reasons. SMR will increase the awareness of Nintendo and Mario even further this winter. Then after that you can announce the new console with the new Mario. Both marketing plans can synergize this way.



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TomaTito said:
Miyamotoo said:

First NX is incomparable more important for Nintendo than Super Mario Run, they will not hold back reveal of NX until December just because of Super Mario Run. Second Super Mario Run won't have effect on NX until NX arrives in March, so there is zero sense to wait first Super Mario Run launch and then reveal NX.

Reveal of a console is marketing. Super Mario Run exists for marketing reasons. SMR will increase the awareness of Nintendo and Mario even further this winter. Then after that you can announce the new console with the new Mario. Both marketing plans can synergize this way.

Yes, but they are difrent products, and NX is way more important than Super Mario Run, NX will get best timing for reavile regardles Super Mario Run, they will not hold back reveal of NX until December just because of Super Mario Run,it would be very bad move to reveal NX in a middle of holiday season. Second Super Mario Run won't have effect on NX until NX arrives in March, so there is no need at all to wait first Super Mario Run launch and then reveal NX.



Miyamotoo said:
TomaTito said:

Reveal of a console is marketing. Super Mario Run exists for marketing reasons. SMR will increase the awareness of Nintendo and Mario even further this winter. Then after that you can announce the new console with the new Mario. Both marketing plans can synergize this way.

Yes, but they are difrent products, and NX is way more important than Super Mario Run, NX will get best timing for reavile regardles Super Mario Run, they will not hold back reveal of NX until December just because of Super Mario Run,it would be very bad move to reveal NX in a middle of holiday season. Second Super Mario Run won't have effect on NX until NX arrives in March, so there is no need at all to wait first Super Mario Run launch and then reveal NX.

They wont reveal the NX just after releasing SMR on iOS, they'd wait till everyone has it on Android too, so expect it sometime during 2017 like I already said a few days ago.

Either way time will tell us who is right. You can continue waiting for the reveal all these coming months.



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TomaTito said:
Miyamotoo said:

Yes, but they are difrent products, and NX is way more important than Super Mario Run, NX will get best timing for reavile regardles Super Mario Run, they will not hold back reveal of NX until December just because of Super Mario Run,it would be very bad move to reveal NX in a middle of holiday season. Second Super Mario Run won't have effect on NX until NX arrives in March, so there is no need at all to wait first Super Mario Run launch and then reveal NX.

They wont reveal the NX just after releasing SMR on iOS, they'd wait till everyone has it on Android too, so expect it sometime during 2017 like I already said a few days ago.

Either way time will tell us who is right. You can continue waiting for the reveal all these coming months.

They cant wait until like 2 months before release to announce the thing. Thats just silly. Its not like its a phone that everyone get what its about the moment they announce it. Its not just another iteration of an established system. If the initial impression people have of the NX is bad, then they need the time to sell people on it. There are also launch games from both first and third party that needs to be announced and marketed. Its not like it will have 2 or 3 launch games.



KLXVER said:
TomaTito said:

They wont reveal the NX just after releasing SMR on iOS, they'd wait till everyone has it on Android too, so expect it sometime during 2017 like I already said a few days ago.

Either way time will tell us who is right. You can continue waiting for the reveal all these coming months.

They cant wait until like 2 months before release to announce the thing. Thats just silly. Its not like its a phone that everyone get what its about the moment they announce it. Its not just another iteration of an established system. If the initial impression people have of the NX is bad, then they need the time to sell people on it. There are also launch games from both first and third party that needs to be announced and marketed. Its not like it will have 2 or 3 launch games.

Maybe it's a lie I tell myself so I'm not overly anxious every week waiting for the NX reveal.

This way I can relax and play my backlog (specially now that the bad weather is coming).



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