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Does NX need to be on par with PS4 and XBone to succeed?

Yes 96 30.77%
 
No 118 37.82%
 
Yes, but... 33 10.58%
 
No, but... 65 20.83%
 
Total:312

I have to address this, I have to understand why people believe this is so...

Ever since the latest Foxconn rumor (which I believe has been debunked), many content creators on youtube are making videos about the rumored console. The translations of the image say that even with this "Docking Station" NX won't be as powerful as the base PS4. Yes, this means NX won't be as powerful as 8th gen consoles, excluding Wii U, and the Scorpio and Pro.

But why does that automatically make NX a failure? One youtuber, Retroreviewtech, Iove his content but something that ticks me off about his thought process is when he talks about power. He gets really scared when he hears that NX isn't as powerful as the PS4 or Pro, or Scorpio. Here's the video if you want to take a looksee:

So, he thinks NX could be great but when he goes into "power mode" it's all doom and gloom for Nintendo. Which I don't understand. 3DS was far less powerful than the Vita and it outsold it 4-5x over. Wii, it didn't even compete with the PS3 or Xbox360 in terms of raw power and we all know how that turned out. And of course I also present that the Wii U was less powerful than PS4 and Xbone and it sold piss poor.

But my question to those who speculate about NX is, why do you feel that just because it isn't as powerful as the current competition, that it'll fail. I've seen many other content creators that feel this way and I've had multiple conversations with other peers and university about this as well, many of them feel this way as well but they never give me a concrete answer as to why.

I feel that if NX is just another reskinned 8+GB GPU, x64, etc. we'll hit a stalemate with gaming. Most Nintendo fans I know don't play Nintendo because of how powerful their consoles are. They love the content. And even by this rumor and actual news, Japanese 3rd parties seem to be on board with NX. And I think that's all Nintendo needs to really push NX. Consoles are dying in Japan, we all can see this. So I think from a Japanese perspective, another one of these high priced consoles won't do well there.

Agh, so what do you think? I know we don't have much to go on but does NX need to be "superpowered" to succeed? My answer is no because first and foremost, games are supuposed to be fun. If you fail that aspect you're already a failed game. And believe me, I understand that Nintendo hasn't made the best choices in the years past. Some of their actions are dare I say backwards in terms of connectivity with their consumers, and online structure.



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Well just think about this way. The only way for the NX to be more successful than the Wii U is to gain some users back from the PS4/Xbox share. How would you do that if you can't even be on the same level as them let alone surpass them? Why would people who were not interested in the Wii U buy the NX?



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vivster said:
Well just think about this way. The only way for the NX to be more successful than the Wii U is to gain some users back from the PS4/Xbox share. How would you do that if you can't even be on the same level as them let alone surpass them? Why would people who were not interested in the Wii U buy the NX?

I would have to disagree and say that Nintendo's users didn't move to PS4 or Xbox One. At least their console gamers didn't move. From Wii to Wii U, I don't think it was a movement but a loss of consumers, casual consumers that is. And that is itself a bigger market than PS and Xbox have. Nintendo got a taste of that market with Wii and they've been trying to gain them back because if they do, it's a surefire success. But the problem is, that market has moved to mobile devices.

So I guess in a way you're right, if NX fails to court that Blue Ocean market that Nintendo wants, the only way to increase NX's marketshare would be to gain back PS and XB users but they're already so set in that brand. It's a really strange situation.



It's most about the games. PS1, PS2, Wii, DS, 3DS. All weaker than the competition and yet they sold best.

It isn't power that sells your console. My experience is that it's software that sells your hardware best.



Who is "we"? I for one don't.

I insist though that the NX has to be another Nintendo system with new (and old) Nintendo games, and I'm pretty confident that it won't fail in that regard.



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Because what has everyone else talked about? Power. That's it. We're surrounded by power improvements even more now. With Pro and Scorpio. That's what sells consoles, practically now. The Wii's luck will never happen again. Phones have replaced the majority of those people.

All of Nintendo's recent console decisions have basically failed. Regardless of the "weaker" console winning, in the past. The 3 consoles of those era's all looked comparable. Even though the N64 was graphically better. The PS1 was able to do video on a disc. And have longer games. That was a major wow factor. That can't be ignored. Another thing. All those eras were low resolution. That hid those limitations. Now, with everything pushing res. These limitations can't be covered up. We also all evolved with the mediums. We don't expect to see Cloud as pixelated boxes anymore. People expect quality work. That has a limited area of acceptablity. Anything 3D in the early mid 90's was a wow. Anything that could do FMV, was a wow. People are not impressed by this anymore. This is all common.

Another reason is that: does Nintendo need to give people who have been disappointed or hating on Nintendo. Another thing to complain at. The hole of disappointment has gotten bigger. Anything slightly wrong/weaker. Will be vitrified.

The same hate happened to Metroid Fed Force. Why was it hated and went to hell? We had a unliked previous game, Other M. Like Wii failing in its later years. Then we had a 6 year break. Like Wii U failing. Fed Force is revealed. Everyone goes and says "WTF!". If NX is under powered. We know 3rd parties will not attempt quality. So everyone is going to say "WTF!" again.



The 3ds does just fine, as have all of Nintendo's other handhelds, without having the power of home consoles. 

If the hybrid rumor is true, the NX is not competing with PS4/Xbone. It's a handheld with a built in gameboy player, simply to satisfy people who like gaming on a big TV. It will probably get its own, unique 3rd party support titles in the same way 3ds gets them, while you can just use your PC or PS4 for anything else. And unlike 3ds, Nintendo's software will no longer be divided between two different platforms, which will strengthen Nintendo's output greatly.



Edit: Double post



Because if NX becomes a hit like Wii, 3rd parties will want to bring their games over and those NX owners could buy that version instead of being forced to another console. If Wii was HD, (even the lowest possible spec) it could have done another 25 mil (minimum) and take away from PS360. Wii could have been a real PS2 type system,

3rd party has been reduced to bonus status for Nintendo consoles (conversely, MSony are heavily reliant on 3rd parties), but that doesn't mean the bonus has to be kept in a tiny box...it can be a big bonus, big enough to make the NX = ultimate/well rounded console.



BasilZero said:
It needs to be on par with the third party support that both XBO and PS4 are getting.


Unless you want another WiiU situation.

But here's the situation we're dealing with though. NX is said to be a hybrid. Where as Nintendo's handheld side is doing great 1st and 3rd party wise (mostly Japanese 3rd parties), Wii U isn't doing well because it didn't garner support from 3rd parties, Japanese or Western. Seeing that consoles are selling really poorly in Japan, including the PS4, Nintendo wants to do something to keep their brand alive by making this hybrid which will at least be better than the 3DS but it also has decent 1st and 3rd party support.

I don't think that if Wii U was as powerful as PS4 or Xbone, or was a console that was on par with 3rd parties, it would have sold better. Because at the end of the day, if you're gaming on Nintendo you buy Nintendo games. 3rd party games don't sell well on Nintendo consoles period.