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Disks or Cartridges?

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SvennoJ said:

Crystal quartz please

http://themindunleashed.org/2014/02/data-storage-crystal-quartz-will-change-everything.html
http://www.gizmosnack.com/news/science/discovery-of-superman-memory-crystal-with-360-tb-storage-capacity/

the memory crystal with an inch diameter can store up to 360TB of data and can endure temperature of up to 1000 degrees Celsius. It can last for 13.8 billion years in a room that has a 190-degree Celsius temperature

Cartridges are too expensive, disks slow and cumbersome. It will probably still be a long time before these can be read fast or produced for little money. Can't exactly mass produce them in a press like discs.

Well Holographic Discs and Cards where supposed to be the next great thing in storage but neither ever made it to the market since overall the technology is too expensive since the cost of the readers is way too high.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Card

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc



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I prefer discs.



Carts, well, they can project a console without a big device in it like a disk reader and desing better consoles in terms of heating control.
Also, a big problem nowadays is that you have to save the disk content on the HDD, because it is faster than read from HDD than on the disk. If cartridges get rid of having to saving content on HDD, it would be lot better.
Only advantage of disks is the cost(well, also compatiility with old systems). But a 2010 technology 8gb disk have been sold at 20$ to 40$(the 3ds ones) with profits. with 2017 technology, i think that a 32 to 64 Gb could be affordable for 60$ selling price.



Shadow1980 said:
Cartridges are more durable, have no load times, can often save certain data on themselves, and the hardware requires fewer moving parts which makes them more reliable and less prone to failure. The simpler hardware may actually be cheaper to manufacture as well. For the average consumer who wants a purely game-driven experience, a cartridge-based system would likely be the way to go barring all other considerations.

However, discs are much cheaper, and, as far as I'm aware of, ROM carts still might not be able to carry as much data as a Blu-ray disc can. The simple issue of cost, esp. cost per byte of data, has always favored discs, and since the 5th-gen "format wars" were settled not by consumers but rather by developers and publishers, we're likely going to continue sticking with discs due to the significant disparity in manufacturing costs, that is unless the console maker is willing to eat the costs themselves and hope to make up the differences with (possibly) cheaper hardware manufacturing costs. Also, the lack of a disc drive means no ability to play movies or CDs, and with consoles being marketed as having significant non-gaming/multimedia functionality, the lack of a disc drive in a cartridge-based system may or may not be a disincentive to certain consumers.

No load times is incorrect. Cheap SD cards are pretty slow, even the faster ones take a long time to copy 32GB data off of them. Games are all installed nowadays anyway, which has led to the day 1 patch having become the norm. These patches are getting bigger and bigger, how much room should there be on a cartridge to write data onto? And how efficient would that be? On a HDD you can simply overwrite / replace / update certain files. Read only cartridges are not going to be useful.

It would be nice though. Collecting physical games is starting to become pointless. The original game discs often end up being an inferior or incomplete version of the game, sometimes even with game breaking bugs without a day 1 or futher patch. I'll keep buying physical as long as I can, yet I also realize that while my ps2 games will simply work forever (given the console doesn't break) my DriveClub disk is but a mere shadow of the full game once the patches become unavailable. A fully patched cartridge with all save games, screenshots etc on it would be much nicer to have. HDDs fail sooner or later, the ps2 is now 16 years old, how many ps4's and XBox One's will still be running with the same hdd after 16 years. Will all the patches still be available.

But yeah, disks are cheap and a lot easier to manufacture than cartridges. The only pro for cartridges is less packing material, less space to take up on shelves. The bom for the drive is only $15, the savings on manufacturing the discs vs cartridges easily make up for that.



Carts obv, they take far less space, load faster and nowdays can be made with as much space as a videogame needs.



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Chris Hu said:

Well Holographic Discs and Cards where supposed to be the next great thing in storage but neither ever made it to the market since overall the technology is too expensive since the cost of the readers is way too high.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Card

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc

Yeah, they propose this for long term archival storage. No mention anywhere that it will ever be consumer level tech. The new microfiche. It would be cool though, uncompressed movies on tiny discs.



Cart Pros:
-no scratches
-larger storage space
-can hold save files
-faster loading
-easier to store
-take up less space

Cart Cons:
-easier to lose

Disk Pros:
-shiny?

Disk Cons:
-scratch easily



SvennoJ said:
Shadow1980 said:
Cartridges are more durable, have no load times, can often save certain data on themselves, and the hardware requires fewer moving parts which makes them more reliable and less prone to failure. The simpler hardware may actually be cheaper to manufacture as well. For the average consumer who wants a purely game-driven experience, a cartridge-based system would likely be the way to go barring all other considerations.

However, discs are much cheaper, and, as far as I'm aware of, ROM carts still might not be able to carry as much data as a Blu-ray disc can. The simple issue of cost, esp. cost per byte of data, has always favored discs, and since the 5th-gen "format wars" were settled not by consumers but rather by developers and publishers, we're likely going to continue sticking with discs due to the significant disparity in manufacturing costs, that is unless the console maker is willing to eat the costs themselves and hope to make up the differences with (possibly) cheaper hardware manufacturing costs. Also, the lack of a disc drive means no ability to play movies or CDs, and with consoles being marketed as having significant non-gaming/multimedia functionality, the lack of a disc drive in a cartridge-based system may or may not be a disincentive to certain consumers.


It would be nice though. Collecting physical games is starting to become pointless. The original game discs often end up being an inferior or incomplete version of the game, sometimes even with game breaking bugs without a day 1 or futher patch. I'll keep buying physical as long as I can, yet I also realize that while my ps2 games will simply work forever (given the console doesn't break) my DriveClub disk is but a mere shadow of the full game once the patches become unavailable. A fully patched cartridge with all save games, screenshots etc on it would be much nicer to have. HDDs fail sooner or later, the ps2 is now 16 years old, how many ps4's and XBox One's will still be running with the same hdd after 16 years. Will all the patches still be available.

This wouldn't be a problem if we could backup the game patches Still don't get why Sony/MS won't allow us to do that. I do it all the time with PC. I still play my Battlefield 2 PC game. I have a burnt patch disc, inside the game case. Install game, install patches, run. Gonna have to wait till the systems become abandoned. So that people hack the system files. So we evnetually get the ability to backup the patch files, dlc etc.



Yerm said:
Cart Pros:
-no scratches
-larger storage space
-can hold save files
-faster loading
-easier to store
-take up less space

Cart Cons:
-easier to lose

Disk Pros:
-shiny?

Disk Cons:
-scratch easily

Great list! xD



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I mean in terms of portability, yeah I'd choose cards. Also durability...and no scratches... yeah cards all the way. It's the future. Just as CDS came, they will go. Cards are the just better format. They are fast, durable, don't degrade as fast, there's literally no downsides.