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Derek89 said:
JWeinCom said:

Marxism is when the government tells someone what they can or can't say.  When the free market is upset and forces a company to address it, that's actually capitalism.

ORLY?

"a bit marxist doe" is a bit. As in the bit of cultural marxism. As in, get fired for believing the wrong thing.

Idon't think it's about getting fired for believing the wrong thing as much as getting fired for how he went about it. 

 

Additionally, it is also about how bad your belief might be. What if your belief is that all women should be slaves or raping people is fine and pedophiles should be free to do as they please? 

 

You can be racist, sexiest, homophobic etc but you can't expect to be that at someone else's expense. 

 

Last but not least, if there is no shame in what you are doing and you are confident you are doing the right thing, then why do it from the shadows? 



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Fei-Hung said:
Derek89 said:

ORLY?

"a bit marxist doe" is a bit. As in the bit of cultural marxism. As in, get fired for believing the wrong thing.

Idon't think it's about getting fired for believing the wrong thing as much as getting fired for how he went about it. 

 

Additionally, it is also about how bad your belief might be. What if your belief is that all women should be slaves or raping people is fine and pedophiles should be free to do as they please? 

 

You can be racist, sexiest, homophobic etc but you can't expect to be that at someone else's expense. 

 

Last but not least, if there is no shame in what you are doing and you are confident you are doing the right thing, then why do it from the shadows? 

I honestly don't see how he went about it is such a big deal. The internet is filled, and some might even claim that it is meant for uncensored humour and mischievous expressions excused by a lack of producing direct consequences (as in 1st line direct, not that someone reacted to something and then that person did something and attributes it to the object of his/her reaction). I suppose this is completely subjective, but I believe that personal beliefs and the beliefs of a company should be 2 separate things that don't inherently represent each other. I'm not sure why many people don't see it that way, but I've thought we're always in search of someone "responsible" to take the blame and therefore we look at their "enablers".

The beliefs you lusted are attrocious, yes. But I'd like an absolutist free speech. Anything can be thought and said (provided in the correct channels, ofc. Won't someone think of the children xD). As long as those speeches don't try to engage in direct action as in "kill all cops", "kill all jews" and the examples you gave, I think it should be permitted. But the beliefs of this man aren't like this, and I might bet that most trolls that say those things don't actually believe it and they say it just to, well, troll us.

Being sexist, sexist, etc, shouldn't come at someone else's expenses, I agree. But I don't agree in that the expense comes along with the speech. It's up to the receiver of the message to give weight to it. Therefore the famous phrase "don't feed the troll". But, of course, there are exceptions where it can get too extreme, but none expressed by a political party (as far as I'm aware of).

As for your last paragraphs; for fear of retaliation, of damage. People have been fired from saying the "wrong things" on their personal social media profile or writting the"wrong article" like the journalist that dared to say that Hillary Clinton might be sick at the Huffington Post. People go anonymous when sharing ideologies, ideas, when their integrity and their life is at risk. Most extreme cases of people choosing to go public and receiving retaliaton, are murders in civil wars and dictatorships.



Derek89 said:
Fei-Hung said:

Idon't think it's about getting fired for believing the wrong thing as much as getting fired for how he went about it. 

 

Additionally, it is also about how bad your belief might be. What if your belief is that all women should be slaves or raping people is fine and pedophiles should be free to do as they please? 

 

You can be racist, sexiest, homophobic etc but you can't expect to be that at someone else's expense. 

 

Last but not least, if there is no shame in what you are doing and you are confident you are doing the right thing, then why do it from the shadows? 

I honestly don't see how he went about it is such a big deal. The internet is filled, and some might even claim that it is meant for uncensored humour and mischievous expressions excused by a lack of producing direct consequences (as in 1st line direct, not that someone reacted to something and then that person did something and attributes it to the object of his/her reaction). I suppose this is completely subjective, but I believe that personal beliefs and the beliefs of a company should be 2 separate things that don't inherently represent each other. I'm not sure why many people don't see it that way, but I've thought we're always in search of someone "responsible" to take the blame and therefore we look at their "enablers".

The beliefs you lusted are attrocious, yes. But I'd like an absolutist free speech. Anything can be thought and said (provided in the correct channels, ofc. Won't someone think of the children xD). As long as those speeches don't try to engage in direct action as in "kill all cops", "kill all jews" and the examples you gave, I think it should be permitted. But the beliefs of this man aren't like this, and I might bet that most trolls that say those things don't actually believe it and they say it just to, well, troll us.

Being sexist, sexist, etc, shouldn't come at someone else's expenses, I agree. But I don't agree in that the expense comes along with the speech. It's up to the receiver of the message to give weight to it. Therefore the famous phrase "don't feed the troll". But, of course, there are exceptions where it can get too extreme, but none expressed by a political party (as far as I'm aware of).

As for your last paragraphs; for fear of retaliation, of damage. People have been fired from saying the "wrong things" on their personal social media profile or writting the"wrong article" like the journalist that dared to say that Hillary Clinton might be sick at the Huffington Post. People go anonymous when sharing ideologies, ideas, when their integrity and their life is at risk. Most extreme cases of people choosing to go public and receiving retaliaton, are murders in civil wars and dictatorships.

Therein lies the problem. You can't have the cake and eat it. The world has never been such a place. Absolute free speech means someone has the right to challenge what you have said and disagree with you. Absolute free speech means you can bully someone, but you can get bullied back. Absolute free speech however shouldn't and never has trumped (I managed to fit a pun in) responsibility, negligence, bullying, harassment, hate speech and the like. 

 

Palmer made a decision to join a group that have some real skewed views on the lgbt community, Muslims, women, Jews, minorities etc, people who have done dodgy financial deals etc. He knew full well this won't sit right with many people including consumers etc. He actively chose to take the risk and involve himself with such people, groups and actively participate beyond funding them. 

 

Also, hypocrisy & leading people on arent great characteristics. To say I don't like these people and these people, but I won't tell them because faking being nice to them will get me paid isn't about free speech but trust and principles. The man has no principles. 

 

Not only has he now come out saying he hasn't said the things he has said, but he is denying he posted them, only for the reporter to call him out and post screen shots of the email. 



Palmer luckey has got to be one of the biggest PR fuckups I've ever seen.



2016: Where the best way you can contribute to political campaigns is by creating a meme-storm.

What is going on with the world?



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I'm sure his opinion would have been the same as anyone elses if it was just an opinion. But to fund shitposting is pretty sad.



the_dark_lewd said:
2016: Where the best way you can contribute to political campaigns is by creating a meme-storm.

What is going on with the world?

Mostly just US. Better tactics is to be or pretend ultra-nationalist.



Aaaaaaaand I know that my heart will go onnnnnnn .....

Anyways he has the right to support racist groups or whatever if he wants. And other people have the right to call him out on that and react to that. Free speech doesn't mean freedom from criticism. To be honest he should just own up to it rather than backpedalling like a chicken. 



I can't copy the text from the site but he is saying he is voting for Gary :s.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10209141115659366&id=1063830478






Fei-Hung said:
contestgamer said:

So privacy is now a problem?

 

Privacy isn't the issue it's trust. It's like having an affair and keeping it private since you don't want to lose the relationship with your wife, lose money and respect. 

 

You can keep your vote private, but it's different when you choose to spend millions backing someone who is probably one of the most hated people in the world due to racist and anti semitic remarks. 


Additionally, you are part of a company that has invested in you and your product. This could cost Facebook millions of maybe even bury Oculus. 

 

Edit: it's trending news now. Looks like Facebook will be hit the worst since it was their investment and Palmer already has his money. 

That proves my point. For one it's really no ones business who he supports. If I send Bernie $27 do I need to declare it to the world? That's what he did except at a much bigger number. Do we now penalize people based on the $ value they are able to donate? That doesnt seem fair. Furthermore, to the bolded; thats exactly why he did and should have kept it private. It's obvious that SJW's would not be able to accept his different political views and would punish the company and any associated companies and all of the associated thousands of employees for this one guys political opinion. The solution shouldnt be for him to forfeit his right to have a political opinion and support it - the only fair solution is for him to be allowed his privacy about it.